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Ed Winskill in Tacoma at 20:57:19 Thursday December 29 2005
Glyn, the same back atcha! A happy new year to you and your bride and all the clan. Thanks very much for the card.
Glyn in Sheffield at 05:39:02 Saturday December 24 2005
************A Merry Christmas and a very Happy New year to clan members around the globe.*************
Ed Winskill in Tacoma at 23:55:17 Wednesday November 16 2005
Anne, now you have my curiosity really up. I'm wondering if you are a separate branch of Ontario Winskills, or not. Robbi Winskill Eagleson lives in Ontario, and her cousin is David Winskill of Crouch End in London. He is a local elected official there. His email would appear with his earlier entries here. I'm not finding Robbi's info right now, and haven't emailed her for at least a couple of years. As to Sir Archie, he was born in Penrith in 1917. He told me his dad owned some motor garages in Cumberland, and also that they moved to Alberta for a time where his dad also had a garage business. Wonder if that trip was at all related to other members of that branch coming over. I suggest that you email David in London to see if you can figure out the Ontario connections. Please keep posting about your branch-- all info is anxiously awaited!
Glyn in Sheffield at 18:24:58 Wednesday November 16 2005
Welcome to the site Alan. My ancestors come from around the Houghton -le-Spring and Hartlepool area. Could you possibly give me any names of your ancestors so that I may check within my family tree?
Alan Winskill in Kent at 18:21:04 Wednesday November 16 2005
Just found this site by chance, my father-relatives came from the villages surrounding the Newcastle area.
Anne Donaldson in Oakville at 13:48:22 Tuesday November 15 2005
How I wished I'd found out more my ancestors when my grandparents were still alive. I don't really know much about my grandfather David Winskill's family as my grandfather died when I was very young. My mother (Hilda Ena Winskill) and her siblings always referred to Archie as grandfather's cousin. My grandfather must have moved to Newcastle around 1912. I do know that he had a brother who moved to Salford and used to have a pub there and one of his family played rugby for Manchester. I do have a cousin David Winskill, son of Herbert and Flo Winskill of Chester-Le-Street but I do not know where he is living now. David Winskill of London may be my cousin.
Ed Winskill in Tacoma at 17:50:19 Monday November 14 2005
Anne, I assume that you are of the branch of the Winskills that includes Robbie Eagleson and David Winskill of London...is that right? Tell us more about yourself and update us on the Ontario clan. I'm interested in your comment about Whin-shill; I'll look into it myself. And I'd like to hear more about your graddad's connection to Sir Archie; certainly they were both from Penrith and it seems likely.
Jean, please let us know more about your connection. And of course Glyn is the expert about Durham Winskills....
Anne Donaldson in Oakville at 07:23:32 Monday November 14 2005
In my note of yesterday I forgot to mention that I had once read somewhere that the name Winskill could also have been derived from the Great Whin-shill - the basalt rock outcrop that runs roughly along the North of England. Some of the Roman Wall follows this outcrop and it continues to the Farne Islands.
Anne Donaldson in Oakville, Ontario, Canada at 12:11:12 Sunday November 13 2005
My grandfather, David Winskill, was originally from Penrith, Cumberland. I was told he was a blacksmith on the Lowther estate as his father was before him. He married Margaret Noble of Penrith and moved to Newcastle upon Tyne to work at the Vickers factory. I believe he was a cousin of Sir Archie Winskill.
Jean Tallentire in Durham at 22:06:11 Friday November 11 2005
I am a newcomer to Family History and am keen to know anything at all about the Winskills of Garrigill
Glyn in Sheffield at 22:27:50 Friday October 28 2005
I have had contact with someone wishing to know any information on a Barbara Moakes who married a Winskill in Sheffield in 1956. That is all the info I have but this person would be grateful for any help. Unfortunately, Barbara Moakes does not appear in my family tree, but a Winskill in Sheffield in 1956 could well be a relation not yet linked. Please email me with any info..........THANKS
Glyn in Sheffield at 21:46:48 Wednesday October 12 2005
Thanks for that Ed. Link now enabled.
Ed Winskill in Tacoma at 22:20:56 Tuesday October 11 2005
I came across a bit that shows that Tom Lord has apparently set up a visitor's centre at Winskill Farm. Looks interesting, and gives a telephone number to boot. Our Brit clansman should head there sometime; it's a beautiful area. Also, it would be interesting if someone in the UK could give them a call, maybe find out how to get ahold
of Tom Lord, and get some info about the history of Upper and Lower
Winskill. Here's the link
http://www.destinationdales.org/attractions.php?region=Ribblesdale&page=2
Glyn in At Home in Sheffield at 19:21:52 Saturday October 8 2005
Thanks Ann, Carmen and Andy for your contributions.....sorry it took a few days to post them on the guestbook page but I have just spent the last week in Cornwall recharging the battereies. Ann I will have to check my family tree but it does seem as though there are some close links with our families....I'll be in touch!
Ann Mills in Yorkshire at 19:15:33 Saturday October 8 2005
Hi Glyn, Thought that I'd update my posting! I have found my Elizabeth Winskill at last! I found her with her family, 1891, in Shildon, Durham, which is very near to where family said that she had come from - Bishop Auckland. She is "Mary Elizabeth", born 1882 Shildon Her Father is John Winskill born 1843, Middlesborough, Yorkshire. John's Father is John Winskill, who was born 1808, West Auckland. John's Father is Jonathan Winskell, who was born 1780, Kirkoswald, Cumberland, son of John. Regards, Ann
Carmen C Cameron in brisbane, australia at 19:14:17 Saturday October 8 2005
its been awhile since i touched base here, so hello family! my husband isa direct desendent of Ester Feathery (nee Winskill) born 20th apil 1871 out Amberley, North Canterbury way, she passed away christmas day 1962...she was 92 at the time, i understand her father George was a blacksmith? married Anne...that's all i have erm so i have a request......does any of the relatives out there have photos? i have nothing at all just names, Ryan that's the husband..we've just purchased our first home together and i thought hmm... a feature wall ....instead of just painting the thing i thought a geneology wall! cripes i'm comming across very demanding aren't i? well aroha nui, hopefully we'll hear from someone, anyone?
andy whyte in zimbabwe at 19:11:15 Saturday October 8 2005
interesting stuff, my uncle peter in hollywood recommended this site, im diana winskills son, andy.
Ed Winskill in Tacoma at 22:21:28 Tuesday October 4 2005
Thought I'd post an Archie Winskill historical note. Sixty-four years ago today, Archie was in the Pyrennies on the way from France to Spain after his evasion of capture in the north of France after being shot down near St. Omer on August 15, 1941. I recently received a copy of his evasion report dated Nov. 25, 1941; marked "Most Secret". He left France on Oct. 3, and by Oct. 4 was close to Andorra, whence he entered Spain.
in at 01:23:42 Saturday October 1 2005
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Glyn in Sheffield UK at 17:20:33 Thursday September 15 2005
Thanks for that Peter.
Peter in LA at 17:13:51 Thursday September 15 2005
Glyn More material relating to Sir Archie - if you want to put it up as a link. From a History of the RAF, this provides details to do with his RAF career.
http://www.rafweb.org/Biographies/Winskill_AL.htm
Ed Winskill in Tacoma at 23:11:36 Monday September 5 2005
I found the QFA website a few years ago, and corresponded a bit by email with Brian Sowerby, who was then the sec'y of the organization. This was before our meeting with Archie (as he always insisted I call him). Mr. Sowerby at the time had interviewed Sir Archie for a history of the KF/QF. I have the writeup somewhere in my stuff. Actually, I would drop in on the tqfa site a couple of times a month, because I knew that if Archie died, the news of it would be posted there immediately. Sir Archie was never on-line, and all of my communication with him outside my visit and a couple of telephone calls was by letter. As it happened, the news came to Glyn from Archie's grandson. Good idea to put up the link here.
Glyn in Sheffield at 05:23:38 Monday September 5 2005
Thanks Peter, but I think you'll find Ed beat me to it.!!
Peter in LA at 05:21:07 Monday September 5 2005
Glyn - here are some more interesting tributes and comments about Sir A. Scroll down a few and you'll see what I mean. Upon reading I see you got there first !!
http://www.tqfa-kittyhawk.org.uk/guestbook/ Ed will be interested.
Peter W in LA at 15:58:36 Thursday September 1 2005
Two more obits. Battle of Britain Society
http://www.battleofbritain.net/bobhsoc/obit-winskill.html Cumberland News
http://www.cumberland-news.co.uk/news/viewarticle.aspx?id=274309
Ed Winskill in Toujours Tacoma at 17:45:47 Tuesday August 30 2005
Thanks for posting the Times article, Peter. I am especially interested in their information that Sir Archie had nine "kills". This is a point that I never discussed with him, and the other sources I've seen have said five. Doesn't matter, really, but it's a point of interest.
It's good to see that the "big" papers gave such good obituary coverage to this extraordinary man.
Peter Winskill in LA at 10:49:21 Monday August 29 2005
Newspaper Cutting (The Times) 26/8/2005
Air Commodore Sir Archibald Winskill
January 24, 1917 - August 9, 2005
Battle of Britain fighter ace who was shot down twice and later became Captain of the Queen's Flight
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A BATTLE OF BRITAIN fighter pilot, Archie Winskill subsequently flew fighter escort sorties for bombing raids over France in 1941, during one of which he was shot down near St Omer.
Avoiding capture, thanks to the French, he escaped over the Pyrenees, and returned to fighter operations, this time in the North African theatre. There he was shot down for a second time, again evading capture and returning to his unit.
Ending the war as a fighter ace, with a tally of nine kills, he was given a permanent commission. He flew jets, acted as air adviser to the Belgian Government, and ended his career with a stint of 14 years in command of the Queens Flight.
Archibald Little Winskill was born in Penrith in 1917 and educated at Penrith and Carlisle Grammar Schools. Joining the RAFVR in 1937, he trained as a pilot and was called up in September 1939. The following August he was commissioned and in October was posted to the high-scoring 603 Squadron whose Spitfires were flying from Hornchurch.
On October 29, 1940, he tackled his first Me109 and claimed a probable combat victory. The following month he had a third share in a Heinkel He111 with two other pilots of his squadron.
On November 23 he was involved in repelling one of the few air raids on England made by the Italian Air Force one of the less well-documented passages of the Battle of Britain.
Although the Germans regarded this belated Italian participation (indeed, the November raid was outside the official limit of that conflict) as being of scant value, given the obsolete aircraft that were available to the Regia Aeronautica, it had become a political necessity in Italy, which had previously sought to feast on the corpse of defeated France and now wanted to do the same to England. A number of bombing raids, launched from Belgian airfields in October, inflicted little damage though they provided useful propaganda photographs for the Italian press.
The raid of November 23 was a fighter sweep carried out by 29 biplane CR42s, covered by a force of G50s, which however lost contact with the biplanes. The CR42s were now heavily mauled by the Spitfires of No 603 which intercepted them over Folkestone. Winskill shot down two of the enemy on a day in which 603 claimed seven combat victories and two probables.
In 1941 he was posted to 41 Squadron, flying fighter sweeps and bomber escort sorties as part of the Tangmere Wing, which was commanded by the legless ace Douglas Bader. On August 14 that year he was flying one of 36 Spitfires escorting a raid by Blenheim bombers on the St Omer railyards, when they were jumped by Me109s. Running dogfights ensued, during which Winskill shot down one Me109 but was himself hit by cannon fire from a second. As his aircraft spun out of control he baled out at low level and came down in a cornfield. There he hid while the Germans searched the area where his Spitfire had crashed. (Bader had been shot down in the same area only a few days before.)
That night, as he still lurked among the corn, an 18-year-old French farmboy located him. After being hidden for several weeks while the hue and cry died down, he was put into the hands of an escape network, and passed down its escape line to the Pyrenees. From there, via Andorra, Barcelona and Madrid, he gained the haven of Gibraltar, from where he returned to England to be awarded the first of his two DFCs.
He returned to operations, but since flying over Europe was forbidden to those who had used a Resistance escape route, lest they divulge information in the event of their being recaptured, he was posted to an air defence squadron in Scotland, before being given command of 232 Squadron, which he led to North Africa in December 1942.
In January 1943 he was shot down over Tunisia, but baled out and came down in the sea. He was picked up by Arabs and taken to shore, where he made his way back through German positions and regained his squadron. Over the next few months of the Tunisian campaign, Winskill shot down several more German aircraft, and was awarded a Bar to his DFC. For the remainder of the war he was an instructor and later commandant of the Fighting Wing at the Central Gunnery School. He gained the Air Efficiency Award (AE) in 1944.
After the war he commanded a squadron with the Allied occupation forces in Japan. From 1949, having converted to jets, he had three years as an air adviser to the Belgian Air Force and established its first wing of Meteor fighters. He then had periods as station commander of RAF Turnhouse and Duxford, and was air attaché in Paris, before becoming, in June 1967, director of public relations at the MoD. He had been appointed CBE in 1960.
He was in the MoD PR post when, in December 1967, the Captain of the Queens Flight, Air Commodore John Blount, was killed when a Whirlwind helicopter of the Flight, in which he was travelling, crashed. After handling the press release which announced the disaster, Winskill was appointed to the post in 1968. The burning issue was that of the reliability of the helicopter as a means of conveying the Royal Family, and Winskills task was to restore morale in the Flight, much shaken by the crash.
The introduction of the reliable Westland Wessex gas turbine-powered helicopter as a replacement for the piston- engined Whirlwind went a long way to accomplishing this, and the Royal Family were soon travelling by helicopter again. Winskill held the post which combines the offices of courtier and airman for the next 14 years, and was a great favourite with members of the Royal Family, particularly Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother.
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Among his duties was to supervise the 22-year old Prince of Wales, when he made the first parachute jump to be accomplished by an heir to the throne, over the Channel in July 1971. Winskill was appointed CVO in 1973 and KCVO in 1980.
In retirement after 1982 Winskill continued to enjoy his golf and tennis with his wife.
In 1998, thanks to research by Dilip Sarkar, the farmboy, Félix Caron, who had succoured Winskill in 1941, was located. In May that year the two men met again and strolled over the field where Winskill had hidden from the Germans 57 years before.
Winskill married, in 1947, Christiane Bailleux. She and a daughter survive him. A son predeceased him.
Air Commodore Sir Archibald Winskill, KCVO, CBE, DFC and Bar, AE, fighter pilot and former Captain of the Queens Flight, was born on January 24, 1917. He died on August 9, 2005, aged 88.
Copyright 2005 Times Newspapers Ltd.
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Glyn in Sheffield at 21:30:14 Friday August 19 2005
Hello and welcome Maureen & Andrew. I hope you find this site helpful and should you have anything to contribute please post on this page. Visit us regularly as new Winskill's are finding us all the time.
Ed Winskill in Tacoma at 20:38:48 Friday August 19 2005
Maureen, great to see your post. I've sent you a separate email. Please consider posting more about yourselves and your branch of our small and farflung clan; all such information is of the greatest interest to all of us!
Maureen & Andrew Winskill in Cuckfield, West Sussex at 20:06:24 Friday August 19 2005
I have only just found your site! When my son was a Major in the British Army, he met Sir Archie Winskill and had arranged another meeting only it never happened for one reason or another. I didn't realise there were so many Winskill's around!
Ed Winskill in Tacoma at 22:04:58 Wednesday August 17 2005
Glyn, I'll work on this. I have needed to do a complete write-up of our visit with Sir Archie from our notes anyway. I've got other stuff from my correspondence with him, including a transcript of his Imperial War Museum interview, a copy of the Felix Caron article, and some other miscellaneous material. There is certainly enough material for a separate web page, and I think it is a fine idea.
Glyn in Sheffield at 19:54:24 Tuesday August 16 2005
Good idea Ed...I was thinking of dedicating a whole webpage just to Sir Archie...so any contributions, including photo's, would be gratefully recieved. May I suggest that any long reports or articles are e-mailed to me so that this may be accomplished.
Ed Winskill in Tacoma at 19:49:59 Tuesday August 16 2005
A fine article in the DT. I particularly like the Queen Mum's quote! Archie told us several interesting things about his service with the Royal Family, and he particularly mentioned his friendship with the Queen Mother. He spoke at some length of the strength of Prince Philip's personality, and I got the distinct impression that one of Sir Archie's main jobs was to counterbalance it, as far as aviation matters were concerned. I'll try to do a comprehensive report of our visit, and post some pictures, in the near future.
Peter Winskill in LA at 11:36:38 Tuesday August 16 2005
I'm glad to see that the DT did an excellent job as usual - with plenty of the telling details! Thanks! Also thank you David alerting us.
Glyn in Sheffield at 11:26:34 Tuesday August 16 2005
Article
Posted in The Telegraph 15/08/2005 Reproduced Here By kind Permission
Air
Commodore Sir Archibald Winskill
(Filed: 15/08/2005)
Air Commodore Sir Archibald Winskill, who has died aged 88, flew Spitfires
during the Battle of Britain before being shot down over northern France in
the summer of 1941; with the aid of members of the French escape lines he
evaded capture and returned to England after crossing the Pyrenees into
Spain.
Later in his career, as a senior
officer, he served as Captain of the Queen's Flight for 14 years.
During the summer of 1941, Winskill
was the flight commander of No 41 Squadron, flying Spitfires as part of the
Tangmere Wing. He was escorting a formation of Blenheims on August 14 to a
target near Lille when two Messerschmitt 109 fighters attacked one of the
bombers. He immediately went to its aid and engaged the enemy fighters,
shooting one down.
The second scored hits on his
Spitfire, which caught fire. He was forced to bale out, landing in a field
close to his burning aircraft, and a French farmer immediately ushered him
to a cornfield where he hid until nightfall. Eventually, the farmer's son
took him to the farmhouse where he was fed.
Archie Winskill spent the next few
days in a barn, where the farmer's son visited him with food each day. After
two weeks in a "safe house", Winskill - dressed as a farmworker - was passed
to various houses by bicycle before being put on a train for Paris. Due to
the necessary secrecy, he was not aware that he was being passed down the
"Pat" Line, one of the most successful escape lines through occupied France.
Two other evaders had joined him, and they were taken first to Marseille and
then to Aix le Therme, at the foot of the Pyrenees.
On the night of October 3, they were
passed to an Andorran guide who took them over the mountains. After an
arduous night-climb, they managed to reach Andorra before travelling to
Barcelona, where the British Consul-General arranged to send them to
Gibraltar via Madrid. Three months after being shot down, Winskill arrived
back in England.
Fifty-seven years later, Winskill
returned to France to meet Felix Caron, the boy who had helped him to
escape. He described it as "a very emotional moment as we chatted away like
long-lost brothers". The Frenchman still had Winskill's flying helmet,
discarded by him as he hid in the cornfield.
The son of an early motor car dealer,
Archibald Little Winskill was born on January 24 1917 at Penrith,
Cumberland, and educated at Penrith and Carlisle Grammar Schools. He was
very interested in technical matters and once commented: "I was born with a
screwdriver in my mouth, not a silver spoon." Inspired to fly after a
five-shilling flight with the Cobham Flying Circus, he joined the RAFVR in
April 1937 and trained as a pilot. He was mobilised in September 1939,
commissioned in August 1940 and trained to fly Spitfires.
Shortly after joining No 603 Squadron
in October 1940, Winskill achieved his first success when he shot down an Me
109 over Dungeness. In November he shared in the destruction of a Heinkel
bomber, and on November 23 he shot down two Italian CR 42 fighters. The
following January he was appointed flight commander of No 41 Squadron and
flew on offensive sweeps and bomber escort sorties over France. Shortly
after his return from Gibraltar, he was awarded the DFC.
No longer allowed to fly over France,
because of his knowledge of French escape routes, Winskill flew Spitfires in
defence of the east Scottish ports. In November 1942 he was promoted to
squadron leader and given command of No 232 Squadron, which was preparing to
depart for North Africa. He was soon in action providing close support for
the British 1st Army in Algeria and Tunisia.
On January 18 1943 he was shot down
off the Tunisian coast and was forced to bale out into the sea. He managed
to swim ashore behind enemy lines, and walked through the desert to rejoin
his squadron. Winskill was one of very few men who evaded capture twice.
In April he shot down a Stuka bomber
and shared in the destruction of a second. During May his squadron was
primarily engaged in ground-strafing the retreating German army, and he
destroyed two aircraft on the airfield at La Sebala. His final success came
when he damaged a mammoth six-engine transport aircraft on the ground. His
tour ended in June, when he was awarded a Bar to the DFC.
Winskill spent the rest of the war as
chief instructor of the Fighting Wing at the Central Gunnery School at
Catfoss, Yorkshire, before taking command of the school. He was granted a
permanent commission in the RAF and served at the Air Ministry until 1947,
when he went to Japan to command No 17 Squadron with the Occupation Forces.
In 1949 he was appointed air adviser
to the Belgian Air Force for three years and formed their first Meteor
Fighter Wing. As a group captain he commanded RAF Turnhouse before moving to
Duxford.
After two years as Group Captain
Operations at the Headquarters of RAF Germany, Winskill was promoted to air
commodore in 1963 and served as the air attaché in Paris before being
appointed the RAF's Director of Public Relations. He had been in the post
for 18 months when he had to handle the press release following the crash of
a Whirlwind helicopter of the Queen's Flight. Amongst those killed was the
Captain of the Flight. On February 15 1968 Winskill was appointed as his
replacement.
Winskill had the task of restoring
both the morale of the Flight and confidence in the helicopter as a suitable
form of transport for the Royal Family. The arrival of the very reliable
Wessex as a replacement did restore confidence - within a year members of
the Royal Family were using helicopters again. Winskill's arrival also
coincided with the introduction of the Andover aircraft.
In 1972 Winskill arranged for the
body of the Duke of Windsor to be flown from France to Benson in
Oxfordshire, where it lay in state in the station's church.
Winskill was a man of great charm and
courtesy. He was a particular favourite of the Queen Mother, who was once
heard to say: "It was for men like Sir Archie that made it worthwhile
putting on my lipstick." He made annual visits to her summer residence at
the Castle of Mey in Caithness. In 2000 he was taken by members of her staff
round the island of Stroma in a high-speed rib during rough weather. He
commented that it had been "as much fun as flying a Spitfire".
He enjoyed golf, and he and his wife
played tennis until recent years; he was still taking long walks and
visiting the gymnasium until shortly before his death on August 9. He was
also a keen bridge player.
Winskill was appointed CBE in 1960,
CVO in 1973 and KCVO in 1980; he was appointed Extra Equerry to the Queen in
1968.
Archie Winskill married, in 1947,
Christiane Bailleux, from the Pas de Calais. She survives him with their
daughter; a son pre-deceased him.
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David Winskill in London at 22:20:46 Monday August 15 2005
Here's the Telegraph website www.telegraph.co.uk go to the obituries page and click on to 15th August entries
Peter Winskill in LA at 09:00:36 Monday August 15 2005
I looked in the British papers to see if there were any obits for Sir Archie. The only one to come up is the following which is from The Telegraph. (It was not in the main list of obits in the DT when I last looked). I enjoyed the account Ed Winskill gave us when he took the initiative in 2001 and met with Sir Archie and his wife at Henley on Thames before he passed on. I'm sure Sir Archie enjoyed the meeting - Ed said they brought out "very good champagne". It surprizes me that there isn't a longer more detailed obit in the Telegraph which usually has very good ones. "Air Commodore Sir Archie Winskill, KCVO, CBE, DFC (1917-2005) Body: Air Commodore Sir Archibald Little (Archie) Winskill, KCVO, CBE, DFC and Bar, AE, Captain of The Queen's Flight, 1968-82, and Extra Equerry to Queen Elizabeth II, died at the Royal Berkshire Hospital, Reading, 9 Agust, 2005. He was aged 88. He was born 24 January, 1917, son of James Winskill. Career: - ->>Fighter Pilot in the Battle of Britain; European and North African theatres; evaded capture in enemy territory, in occupied France, 1941, and in Tunisia 1943; Post War: graduate Army Staff College; Flying College; Air Adviser to the Belgian Government; Station Commander, RAF Turnhouse & Duxford; Group Captain, Operations Germany; Air Attache at Paris; Director of Public Relations, Ministry of Defence (RAF); Captain of The Queen's Flight, 1968-82; received Freedom of the City of London, 1978. Awarded the DFC in 1941 (received Bar to DFC in 1943); appointed CBE in 1960; CVO in 1973, and advanced to KCVO in 1980. Sir Archie married in 1947, Christiane Amilie Pauline, daughter of M. Bailleux, of Calais, France, by whom he had one son (deceased) and one daughter." Source: Daily Telegraph 11 August, 2005. *****
Ed Winskill in Tacoma at 12:00:33 Saturday August 13 2005
Glyn forwarded to me today an email he received from Archie Winskill's grandson containing the sad news of Sir Archie's death August 8, 2005; peacefully in his sleep. Sir Archie was 88. I was very sad indeed to hear this. I was extraordinarily privileged to have corresponded with, and met and talked with, this warm and heroic man. My branch had heard in the late 1970s that there was an Archie Winskill who was Captain of the Queen's Flight in Britain. We knew and heard nothing more over the years. Then, when I discovered Glyn's site a few years ago, he mentioned Archie in his site materials, but did not know whether or not he was yet alive. A bit of searching later turned up some recent articles that showed that he was. Peter Winskill knew the Brit consul in LA, and through him got me Sir Archie's address. I started a correspondence that became warm and lively. Then, in the summer of 2002, Debbie and I were in England, and we arranged to meet Archie in Henley. We spent six hours with him, over lunch and tea, and also met his lovely wife Christiane, over good Champagne in their flat at the Phyllis Court Club. I am very happy we had this opportunity, which would never have come to pass but for Glyn's pioneering efforts. I will soon post more about my meeting with Archie Winskill, which I have written about here in the past. Air Commodore Sir Archie Winskill; WWII Spitfire ace, Battle of Britain veteran, one of the Few. May he rest in peace
Ann Mills in Yorkshire at 22:16:31 Tuesday July 19 2005
Glyn, Thanks, I don't know why I didn't think of the surname spelling, I've come across this before with the name Mellard, I've seen Mellerd, Mellord, Mellor, and Meller given for the same family, tricky!!!
Glyn in Sheffield at 21:48:13 Monday July 18 2005
Unfortunately Ann the only suggestion I can offer is more hard work! I have found that when some of the names have been transfered to microfiche or computer records there have been mistakes in spelling Winskill. Lets face it, if some one asks your name and you say "Winskill" quite a large percentage wil say "How do you spell that?" or find difficulty ineven pronouncing the name themselves. I sometimes dispair as the surname has only 2 syllables - WIN & SKILL. I have searched with spellings of winskil, winskell, winscale, and more, with only a couple of successes. The task is daunting, and can work out expensive, which is my hope that this website will help anyone, like yourself, make the task easier. Keep in touch and post your findings as who knows who else that finding may help in the task of tracing the elusive Winskill clan
Ann Mills in Yorkshire at 21:33:34 Monday July 18 2005
Glyn, Thanks for your help. I thought that things were moving at last with the Winskills, as last month I at last found Elizabeth Winskill and William Mills's marriage entery in the Brampton Bierlow Crist Church Registers. With her age, 25 in 1907, and fathers name, Thomas Winskill, I expected to 'start the ball rolling'. Not so! as I can't find an Elizabeth Winskill age 19 on the 1901 census. In fact the only Elizabeth that I could find was just 10 years old, fathers name is William, so where do I go from here, any ideas? Regards, Ann PS Brampton Bierlow and Ecclesall Bierlow arn't the same place, not too far away though!
Glyn in Sheffield at 10:03:31 Saturday July 16 2005
Ann.....further searches in my family tree bring to the fore 2 Thomas Winskill's in my ancestry. My Great great great grandfather was Thomas but I do not have any dates or place of birth and have only traced the birth of my great great grandfather to him who was also Thomas Winskill born 1804 in Berwick upon Tweed. He married Elizabeth Lockley (born c.1809 in Sunderland) in Sunderland in 1827. I have traced 9 chuildren to them of which my great grandfather was number 8 in my list. My great grandfather, Charles Fredrick b. 1846 Houghton le Spring, married Charlotte Ann Elsdon (b. 1849 Hartlepool) in 1867 in Hartlepool. I have traced 11 children to them but I was always told by my late father that my grandfather (Herbert Winskill) was the youngest of 20. Still need to find the other 9.
As you can see , the Winskills used to go for large families which makes it difficult to trace, but if any of the information helps you I would be gratefull of any feedback. Keeping in mind the dates you mention and the dates I have qouted, and the places, there may still be a connection bettween our families. Hope to hear from you soon.
Glyn in Sheffield at 20:38:41 Friday July 15 2005
Hello Ann, Might be some connection here as my ancesters come from th e Durham and Hartlepool area. I also have in my family tree a great -aunt by the name of Alma Rose Winskill who married a William Wesson in 1897 in Ecclesall Bierlow. Could it be the same place?
Ann Mills in Yorkshire at 20:27:37 Friday July 15 2005
Hi to all you Winskills, I've been researching our family tree and have got to Elisabeth Winskill, born 1882 daughter of Thomas Winskill. A member of the family told me that Elizabeth came from Bishop Auckland, Durham. Eizabeth married William Mills 29/09/1907 at Brampton Bierlow Christ Church, Rotherham. Can anyone give me any help with finding information on the family of Elizabeth? Regards, Ann
Ed Winskill in Tacoma at 13:54:40 Monday July 11 2005
Howdy, Fran. You're making great progress. Must be exciting indeed to discover these lost siblings; and maybe to actually meet some more or their offspring! Peter, please let us know about you and your family. All branches indeed seem to trace back to Cumbria; more evidence that the name comes from the village outside of Penrith. My people departed to Canada from Kendal. Even those, like yourself, not in Cumberland/Westmoreland/Cumbria cluster in the North, like Glyn's Durham bunch....
in north wales at 23:19:03 Sunday July 3 2005
hello,all the winskills out there, i have finally found the names of my dads 6 children form genes reunited, well it wasn't me who found them, but there are message boards on the site, trying to find, records office, and a few more boards. if someone can help they will look up for you, this is where i found most of my info. now i have to find if they were married and have any children.of there own. not heard of anna for a while but i'm sure she'll keep in touch. ed iv'e not had time yet to go to the winskill village but hoe to go soon, . cheers Fran
Peter Winskill in York, Yorkshire, UK at 16:22:01 Wednesday June 29 2005
My family appears to originate in Cumbria, UK
Peter Winskill in Los Angeles at 07:48:38 Monday June 20 2005
Hello Ed and the Winskill clan. No, I'm no longer on the high seas these days. I communicate now and then with Andrew Whyte who is my sister's son. He has a thriving business in Zimababwe importing engines and technology appropriate to that country's needs. I'll have to get him to post some what is going on there. Mugabe has resorted to Pol Pot-like measures of ethnic cleansing - throwing millions of the poorest out of their urban shacks and houses and herding them into the countryside, better able to control perhaps, but also, according to my sources, to cull the population. This kind of wickedness seems to happen all too often and I wish something could be done about removing Mugabe. Certainly Mbeki, the PM of South Africa, could bring down the regime but he wont even criticize Mugabe. Anyway, maybe Andrew will contribute something. All the Winskill family are in Zimbabawe - still.
Ed Winskill in Tacoma at 21:25:50 Wednesday June 15 2005
The Sunday Times on June 5, 2005 had an interesting short interview of Sir Archie Winskill and a few others of the ever-dwindling band of Battle of Britain RAF vets. Here's the
link:http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2099-1628630_2,00.html Either Glyn can enable the link, or you can just copy it and paste into your browser. Good to see Sir Archie still going well at 88....
Allen Glasson in Ashburton, New Zealand at 08:58:43 Friday May 27 2005
Nice to hear from you Ed. My records show that George and his two wives (Esther & Ann) had 12 children between them although I am unaware of the mortality rate. George and Ann MONKHOUSE came to New Zealand on the ship "Zealandia" around 1855. They had been married at Grena Green around 1847 and brought their two daughters Mary Ann and Margaret with them on the voyage. Of their eleven children one was named George and he married Mary BLAIN in 1892 in Rangiora, New Zealand. These are the parents of the George who is buried at Euston Road Cemetery in France. Young George's story is quite sad. He was at Galipoli in 1915, wounded there, evacuated for recuperation and went back to Gallipoli for the last month or so. Changed from the Canterbury Battalion to the Machine Gun Company and went with the newly formed New Zealand Division to France in 1916. He was wounded again at Armentieres in mid to late 1916 and was evacuated to Walton on Thames in England. Returned to France, fought at Messines and Passchendaele. Was offered a post as a machine gun instructor in England while there under training, refused, was demoted from serjeant to private at his opwn request so that he could return to France with his mates. Then in March 1918 while fighting at Colincamps he stood up to have a look at what was happening and was killed by a sniper. His brother in law, Les HARRIS who was also there, told me that George had come to believe that he was invincible and would not die in the war. He was almost right. Anyway, George and Mary BLAIN had 8 children, one of them, Mary Ellen (Nellie) is my wife Susan's grandmother and the most loveliest of ladies she was. She married Stewart Tempest WARWICK and passed away in 1993 in Kaiapoi, New Zealand. Susan's mother, Daphne Joan, is an only child and married Jim WORNALL. Susan has one brother, Tony. If anybody wants a more detailed copy of the family, as I have it recorded, they can contact me at their leisure and I will happily assist. Kind regards, Allen
Ed Winskill in Tacoma at 09:39:52 Thursday May 26 2005
Good to see you check in again, Allen. I looked at your photo of George; a moving site and story. I don't have info on your branch in my records; I do believe that your wife's first George was the first Winskill to emigrate overseas, beating any of the Canada- or States-bound by a fair bit. As I recall from Linda's earlier posts, it was the Kiwi Winskills that gave rise to the Oz branches. As for Appleby, a number of my connections lived around there in the long ago also. The town, perhaps the jewel of the Eden Valley, is very pretty. Turning to Andy Whyte, by email he tells me he is our Peter's nephew. I hope Andy posts further here, and it would also be good to hear from Peter, who may well be again on the high seas.
Allen Glasson in Ashburton, New Zealand at 15:55:22 Wednesday May 25 2005
Hello Have been just checking the new entries to see if there are any links with my wife Susan's family here in New Zealand. You may remember that the New Zealand family is descended from George Winskill who was born around 1799 in Appelby. Although he married twice, it is he and his first wife, Esther SCOTT, who are the common ancestors of the New Zealand Winskills through his son George and his wife Ann MONKHOUSE. I would be interested to hear from anybody who has George (and Esther) in their data. You may be interested in a photograph of a younger George Winskill who was killed in WW1 near Colincamps in France. I have letters and postcards from George to his family at home. The link is http://www.silentcities.co.uk/cemeterye/Euston%20Road%20Cemetery,%20Colincamps.htm Kind regards Allen
Ed Winskill in Tacoma at 22:13:00 Tuesday May 24 2005
Andy, I dropped you an email...I urge you to post more here about yourself and your branch; our only Zim Winskill so far to post has been Peter, who has lived in LA for many years but whose brother Nick Winskill and other family remain in Zim. Are you of Peter's branch or another? Scoll down the posts, including the pre-2004 posts (by clicking on the pre-2004 entry line above) and you will find out much about the name and the family, if you haven't done so already. You will also find Peter's many posts about his branch of the Winskills. Welcome!
andy whyte in zimbabwe at 18:21:29 Tuesday May 24 2005
my mother was a winskill
fran in north wales at 18:51:35 Wednesday May 4 2005
ED, thanks for that info, I didn't know about the stones, I'll give it a bash. One og my sister's lived in Kendal before she died, so I know some off the surrounding area's. Also my daughter used to be a national cross country runner and we traveled up North to the races. Where I live there is't much Welsh spoke, witch is as well because I wouldn't have a clue! Some of my grandchildren learn it in school but it's not compluserey. Can't spell English proper as you've probabley noticed.Ha Ha. Anna is still in touch with me and is sending me some photo's of her Dad. I which I could find some more of the family. but I will keep trying. I'm not letting my husband know there's no pub till we get there!!!
Ed Winskill in Tacoma at 22:05:28 Tuesday May 3 2005
Fran, I look forward to your report on your trip to Winskill. The country around there is quite beautiful; right at the foot of the Pennines. The village is very small, a hamlet, really, but well signed and marked. No pub! As for a churchyard search, the most productive searches are in some of the Eden Valley towns, such as Kirkby Thore and Appleby. I have my doubts that any Winskills have actually lived in Winskill for a long time. In your travels you should also consider sometime going to Winskill Stones and the surrounding Winskill Farms. They are above Langcliffe, near Settle on your side of Yorkshire. When we were there, as I remember, we then dropped down to Chester, and cut through a little bit of North Wales on the way to Shrewsbury. How's your Welsh; as I understand there's a lot more spoken in your neck of the woods than in South Wales. Hard to read the signs, as I recollect!
fran in north wales at 09:14:13 Wednesday April 27 2005
Hi to all out there, Yes ed i was really please to find that i had a niece, I am hoping to go to the village winskill during the next few month. If anyone out there wants me to look at the grave stones for dates and other info let me know, and what you would like me to look for. speak to all soon cheers Fran
cindy in Orlando at 18:47:39 Sunday April 24 2005
Hi, I am looking for a half sister named "Betty." My dad (Neil Hedrick) fathered during his tour in England during WWII. I only have pictures of her at about 2 years of age.
micki winskill in chicago at 18:46:34 Sunday April 24 2005
I am morgan's sister and just found your site as well. She misunderstood that our grandfather married a native american woman. I don't have much time to read now, but look forward to diving into our name's history as it is always something i enjoy talking about with my great uncle gary (angie's husband). My father is Michael Earl Winskill and we grew up in Bethany, Illinois. I am now living in Chicago with my younger sister Morgan.
Ed Winskill in Tacoma at 21:28:50 Thursday April 21 2005
Fran, this is terrific. I can imagine how great it must be to locate long-lost family connections. As for me, I was married young and have 5 kids; never did run off to the circus, either. I can relate! Well, I'm calling on you and Anna to keep us posted from time to time on your branch of the Winskills and your further discoveries therein. Congratulations to both of you.
fran lang in north wales at 16:18:25 Thursday April 21 2005
HI all the Winskill,s out there. I was really pleased when I found Anna Winskill. Hi there Anna, it seems I am an Antie to anna. Its funny how your dad (cyril) ran off to join the circus. Thats what i wanted to do when i was younger. but got married and had 7 kids, but I think Iv'e left it to late, Ha Ha. Do you know any more of my Dads children? perhaps I have more nephews and nieces somewhere out there. glad you found the winskill web site. speake to all soon Fran.
Ed Winskill in Tacoma at 23:44:54 Wednesday April 20 2005
As has happened in the past, a period of quiet on the site has been followed by interesting new activity. Many welcomes to both Anna and Morgan. Morgan, are you of the Illinois Winskills or of another branch? We have had Brennan Winskill (son of Debbie, grandson of Raymond Winskill and g-grandson of Earl Winskill) post here about a year ago, and Angela Winskill, wife of Gary, sometime before that. They are of the Bethany/Sullivan Winskills of Illinois. To both Morgan and Anna, if you haven't done so yet, scroll through all of the entries here, including the pre-2004 entries by clicking on the line indicated above. This will be the work of less than an hour, and you will know the origins of the name, the Winskill place-names in England, the identity of the few branches, and more. As you already know personally, the name is very rare. It comes from the Old Norse-- but I won't repeat it here, because all the details are in the existing posts; you will find them of great interest, I think. Anna, I am very interested in your dad's story, and that of your branch. I strongly urge both you and Morgan to post as much information here as you can.
Anna Winskill in Brighton at 21:07:46 Wednesday April 20 2005
Hiya. I've just read through many of the messages you have below and have noted that Ed was interested in my dads work. We do still have some of his models, including a couple that were never reproduced. The only market for them is secondhand. I have photos which I intend to compile when I've got time to organise it. An extensive photo gallery online would be fabulous. I've just spoken to my brother, picking his brain, and he said there was a propaganda recruitment drive during WW2 to get disabled people to become 'gunners'! Another flying link. Luckily the recruitment officer turned him away saying "you'll make something of yourself". Dad also bred thoroughbred horses from one mare called China Rose who he acquired cheap back in the war time. So we had one foal each year of my younger life, and some winners among them.
Ed Winskill in Tacoma at 18:21:29 Wednesday April 20 2005
Anna, I am more than thrilled to see your post! Please scroll down through the posts (including the pre-2004 entries) if you haven't already, and you will find a wealth of Winskill information. The name is indeed rare, but there are some of us out there! You will see that I have posted about your father, hoping someone would come along with some information about him; delighted that it is his daughter that has done so. I have often seen examples of his work in web searches, but could find no information about his life. Please let us know as much as you can about him and your branch. Along with Sir Archie Winskill, it would appear that your dad is among the most distinguished of the clan.
Glyn in Sheffield UK at 16:36:45 Wednesday April 20 2005
Hello and welcome Anna. Wow! a reknowned sculptor in the clan this calls for more investigating. Tell me, is any of his work still for sale or is it all in a museum? Another interestng line to develope within the ever growing clan Winskill. I am sure Ed, along with myself, will be interested in any information you have about your line of the clan.
Anna Winskill in Brighton at 16:31:05 Wednesday April 20 2005
I wondered why I had to choose such a high number after my name for a hotmail account, now I know! And there's me thinking my surname was rare. My name is Anna, I have a 17 year old son who is doing carpentry at college. I am technically a 'peasant': I can earn a living with a min:of 8 skills! I have an older brother called Peter, born in 1942 or so. Just been in touch with Auntie Fran via Genes Reunited who was seeking info on her dad (my granddad). I was brought up not knowing any of our relatives. My father, Cyril Bernard Winskill originated from Manchester, ran off (with only one leg) with Bertram Mills Circus, married my mum, studied art at St Martins and Camberwell School of Art in London, and went on to be a reknowned sculptor until his death in 1979. He specialised in horses and Royal Worcester Porcelain have examples of his work in their museum if anyone's interested.
Glyn in Sheffield UK at 16:28:48 Wednesday April 20 2005
Sorry to disapoint you Morgan but Winskill is from The North of England, Cumbria and the Notyj East. There is a village called Winskill not far from Kendal in the lake district. I am sure your fellow countryman Ed will be interested in your comments. Post more info if possible.
Morgan Winskill in Chicago, Illinois at 16:25:40 Wednesday April 20 2005
Just googled my last name and found your site. I am very interested in finding out about my ancestors. I was under the impression that the name Winskill came from the Native Americans?
fran lang in north wales at 16:39:29 Tuesday April 5 2005
Ed, thanks for repyling, yes I am still looking, I have had a email concerning one of my half brothers., Cyril who was ran over by a tram aged 3 in manchester. most of my family came from hulme in manchester, I am still looking for the rest of the family, but in the meantime, I will look for my mams side of the family. Thanks again for replying.Fran
Ed Winskill in Tacoma at 20:34:47 Monday April 4 2005
Fran, still here! I saw your most recent post, but didn't have anything to offer about your dad. The guestbook goes through periods of quiescence, then has occasional bursts of hyperactivity, as we did a few months ago. If I get anything new Winskill-wise, I post it, but haven't had much lately. As you know, I'm always encouraging any family members to post as much as possible about themselves and their branch of the clan. At any rate, I always check here at a minimum of a few times per week.
fran lang in north wales at 13:27:21 Monday April 4 2005
where have all the winskills gone? there dosn't seem much here any more. Have i missed something? Has this site gone somwhere else? cananyone give any info please. thanks Fran
Mike in Lancaster at 13:13:23 Sunday March 27 2005
Amanda, In your entry on 12th December I see you mention your G,G Grandad RS Winskill who played rugby union for Kendal Hornets up to 1892. My Great grandad, Fred Exley played for the Hornets at the same time. Did you find any records or info about the Hornets at that time.
fran lang in north wales at 20:30:38 Monday March 14 2005
Hi, Iam still looking for info on Albert Winskill, if anyone can help me out there. He is on the 1891 and 1901 census lists. He was 12 on the last list, but seems to have disapered after that. He was my dad , he was born in 1888, and lived in the hulme area of manchester. he had a first wife and had 6 or 7 children which would have been my half brothers and sisters. I have been looking on all the births deaths and marriage lists and carn't find him anywhere. He married my mam around the 1930's. marie sidlow was in her early 30's with 6 children from her first marriage. her maiden name was dillon. If any one could give me any info i will gratfull thanks Fran Lang
Glyn in Sheffield at 15:58:33 Thursday March 10 2005
Hi everyone...I too have checked out Tribal Pages and found it an excellant site. I have now set up my own website there and uploaded my gedcom file. It is a very good site and very simple to use and navigate. Thanks for the information Amanda
Ed Winskill in Tacoma, comme toujours at 22:38:29 Wednesday March 9 2005
Checked out Amanda's site. It's a good one and in due course I may do the same at Tribal. In the meantime, soon I'll post my branch on her site in the guestbook, as we have common ancestors, as those who stop by here from time to time know. Quietude on Glyn's site for awhile; I'm glad to see Amanda post. Let's have some of those other Winskills (and Winskells!) who pass through now and then post something as they do.
Amanda B in Bradford at 19:35:53 Wednesday March 9 2005
Hi everyone! Has anyone come across a site called TRIBAL PAGES, if not take a look, this is a free web builder, designed aspecially for building family tree websites, you can add up to 80 photos, it give you load of extra features such as full family view , with pictures(if youv'e added them)it works out all your desendents out for you. i will send my website to Ed Winskill's email,and he can give you all his opinion. P.s The site is very, very user friendly.If i could get all the data logged in, anyone can!
Glyn in Sheffield at 20:28:53 Sunday March 6 2005
If my niece Sharon visits this page it is important that you email me ASAP please.
Ed
Winskill in Tacoma at 18:26:40 Tuesday January 11 2005
Amanda, glad you were able to spread the Winskill info at the
holidays. My emigrating ancestor was William, my grandfather's
grandfather, who left Kendal in the 1870s and came to Ontario. I've
put down several posts about this in the earlier stuff; you could
find most of it in the pre-2004 entries. My branch therefor was
Canadian for quite awhile; indeed my dad was born in British
Columbia, though he was only about 5 when the family moved to Tacoma.
As I had said in posts that are quite old now, and that newcomers may
not have seen, there appear to be 5 North American Winskill branches.
These I call the BC/Tacoma (mine), the Wisconsins (I have had
interesting correspondence with their 2 or 3 remaining members; it is
after them that Winskill School in Lancaster, Wis. is named); the
Illinois (Bethany and Sullivan areas; they have corresponded and
posted here); the Ontarios (these include Robbie Eagleson and David
Winskill of London); and the New Yorkers. The New Yorkers I've seen
the occasional mention of here and there on the internet; they have
never posted here or otherwise brought attention to themselves, thus far!
amanda
b in Bradford u.k at 15:41:42 Wednesday December 29 2004
Hi Ed, After gathering with the family for Christmas, we began
looking over the information i had collected regarding the Winskill
family tree. All the family now knows that we have Winskill members
in Tacoma that are from the same tree. Who was the first one in your
line to take the plunge and move overseas, was one of the questions
from my Winskills. Best Wishes to your family for the New Year, from
the other family of Winskill over here. Cousin Amanda.