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Ed Winskill in Tacoma at 18:26:40 Tuesday January 11 2005
Amanda, glad you were able to spread the Winskill info at the holidays. My emigrating ancestor was William, my grandfather's grandfather, who left Kendal in the 1870s and came to Ontario. I've put down several posts about this in the earlier stuff; you could find most of it in the pre-2004 entries. My branch therefor was Canadian for quite awhile; indeed my dad was born in British Columbia, though he was only about 5 when the family moved to Tacoma. As I had said in posts that are quite old now, and that newcomers may not have seen, there appear to be 5 North American Winskill branches. These I call the BC/Tacoma (mine), the Wisconsins (I have had interesting correspondence with their 2 or 3 remaining members; it is after them that Winskill School in Lancaster, Wis. is named); the Illinois (Bethany and Sullivan areas; they have corresponded and posted here); the Ontarios (these include Robbie Eagleson and David Winskill of London); and the New Yorkers. The New Yorkers I've seen the occasional mention of here and there on the internet; they have never posted here or otherwise brought attention to themselves, thus far!

amanda b in Bradford u.k at 15:41:42 Wednesday December 29 2004
Hi Ed, After gathering with the family for Christmas, we began looking over the information i had collected regarding the Winskill family tree. All the family now knows that we have Winskill members in Tacoma that are from the same tree. Who was the first one in your line to take the plunge and move overseas, was one of the questions from my Winskills. Best Wishes to your family for the New Year, from the other family of Winskill over here. Cousin Amanda.

Ed Winskill in Tacoma at 19:06:40 Wednesday December 22 2004
And a very Merry Christmas to you and your family, too, Glyn, and a Happy New Year to come. An interesting year on the site, with a lot of specific info and actual family tree connections in this past few months. This has been a lot of fun.

Glyn in Home at 16:09:07 Wednesday December 22 2004
I would just like to wishh everyone a Merry Christmas and a happy New Year.

Ed Winskill in Tacoma at 18:35:41 Tuesday December 14 2004
Very interesting stuff, cousin Amanda. As I've said here before, my Winskill forebears came from Kendal, and a relation, Thomas Winskill (who was a great great half-uncle), was for 25 years the publican of the Roebuck Inn in Kendal. And records show we have other "purveyors of beer" in the earlier lineage. So our branch, yours and mine, we might think of as the publican branch; and we'll think of Glyn's branch, the Peter T. Winskill group, as the tetotalers! ;-) I've told the story before about how when Debbie and I visited Kendal in 2002, we looked about for the Roebuck; couldn't find it in any directory. So we went into a very nice old pub, the Cask House, asked about the Roebuck, and lo and behold we were already there: the name had been changed. And Thomas Winskill was right there in their written history. I'm very interested in your Rugby connection, and would like to learn more sometime about the events that led to the split between Union and League; your great grandad was in the thick of it, it looks like.

amanda b in bradford u.k at 12:32:31 Sunday December 12 2004
hiEd, I emailed the Halifax RLFC historian who kindly gave me lots of info regarding the rugby player R.S Winskill, and he is my G,G Grandad, Robert Stockdale Winskill. His rugby history goes like this: He played rugby union for a well known team in Kendal called the Kendal Hornets up until 1892 when all the english teams broke away from playing union and moved on to league, he signed for Halifax RLFC in 1892 and became there captain in 1899-1900. Bob palyed 177 professional games and in 1902-03 they won the double- the challange cup and also the northern league cup, in 1093-04 they won the cup winners cup. He was also a publican of one of the pubs next to the Halifax RLFC ground and after he left Halifax RLFC, he continued with his pub. The historian who gave me this information is kindly emailing me 3 of the cup winning photos from 1902-03, 1903-03 and also the picture when he was captain 1899-1900.

amanda b in at 12:25:53 Tuesday December 7 2004
Hi Ed, As usual i slightly got my info mixed up, my dad has two different photo's with players named Winskill, the first one is the Broughton Rangers player, now i have the pics myself i can see which one is which. The Broughton player is called William and he is the one who dosen't look like my brother , this was taken in the 1901-02 season after they one the Challange cup, the South -East lancashire Cup and the Championship Cup- wow looks like they did the treble that year. The player named Winskill who is the double of my brother played for Halifax rugby league team in 1902-03 season and the great thing is, under the picture is the name line up and his name is listed as being R.S Winskill, my g-g- grandad,s name was Robert Stockdale Winskill and he did live in Halifax. My dad has also told me that in the 1930's one of the club directors was a lady named Connie Winskill-Foster and my dad remembers a family member named Connie. While trying to find out more info on Winskill,s and Rugby i stummbled upon the site for the Tacoma Nomads and have told my dad about them. Bye for now Amanda.

Ed Winskill in Tacoma at 19:05:26 Monday December 6 2004
Hello Amanda. Don't know about your League man, alas. That'd take a bit of research, I think. Can't resist plugging the Tacoma Rugby Club, though, of which I was one of the founders in 1974. Quit playing the great game in my early 30s, though, like any sensible lad. Rugby Union, of course; there's actually a fair amount of Rugby played in the States at the college and club level. Here's the website:http://www.tacomarugby.com/template.php?sid=8

amanda b in bradford u.k at 17:26:47 Sunday December 5 2004
Hi Winskill's Does anyone have any info on a rugby league player named Winskill, he played for a team called Broughton Rangers in Lancashire some time before 1914, he was on the team that one the challange cup, this may have been 1902 or 1911, as the team one the challange cup twice. My father has a team photo and the player named Winskill bears a huge resemblance to my brother,as we are Winskill decendance i would be very intrested if anyone can help.

Amanda Jean in Aspatria, Cumbria at 20:09:42 Tuesday November 2 2004
Hi Ed Did you try to email me something? I'm afraid I don't check my email that often. Whatever it was I couldn't open it. I would be grateful if you could send it again. Thanks. P.S. We can only go back as far as my dads grandmother Annie Winskill who lived in Penrith. My Grandfather never found out the name of his father. If anyone knows anything about Annie Winskill and her Son Herbert I would be grateful. Thanks again Amanda

amanda b in sheffield u.k at 15:35:56 Monday November 1 2004
Hi Winskills, would love to here from any Winskill from the MILBURN, APPLEBY,KENDAL area of cumbria.

mantoneee in S/Africa at 10:46:05 Tuesday October 19 2004
iam looking 4 my old friends who had loost contact with me.you email me with this my email address.

Peter Winskill in LA at 02:04:28 Wednesday October 13 2004
Well David my cousin in Petts Wood - I'm very glad to hear from you and I will be sending you an email pronto. Ed Winskill kindly forwarded me your email address. I don't know what happened to it ! Anyway, I will be in touch.

David Turnbull in Petts Wood, Kent at 19:34:04 Monday October 11 2004
Message for Peter Winskill, my cousin in LA. Any news of Nick, Diana and families in Zimbabwe? Please e-mail if you can.Do they have an e-mail address now?

Glyn in Sheffield at 20:25:33 Wednesday October 6 2004
Hiya Ray....sorry to hear you have been affected by the hurricanes and hope everything and everyone is OK! I'm sure we can fix something up with the photo's you requested, but I am on my way to Portugal for a week in a few hours so am unble to organise anything for a week at least. Possibly I may ask my daughter , who works in a photo lab, if she can help in this department!. I will get in touch when I return from Portugal. Glyn

Ray Buck in Old Saybrook, Connecticut USA at 18:30:39 Wednesday October 6 2004
Lots of confusion here with the hurricanes that have devastated our winter property on Sanibel Island, Florida. House is intact. We leave for Florida Wednesday, Oct. 13. My files are a mess. Can't find direct address to query you in that mess. Would it be possible to get the original of the photo of young Winifred and her family over here for a short time? I'm getting no-can-do responses from folks I've asked to enlarge the e-mail copy you so very kindly sent over here. I'd like to make framable copies for Winnie and my kids. Winnie's still hanging in there at 94 and a half but problems are mounting. Hope all is well with you and family. Ray Buck

Ed Winskill in Tacoma at 21:50:40 Monday October 4 2004
Amanda, terrific to see you check in. You are in the heart of Winskill country, for sure, since the village of Winskill is itself only about 7 miles from Penrith. Have you visited the village (a hamlet really; not even a pub!)? If you haven't already, be sure to click on the pre-2004 entries (link is at the top of the page here); there is a real wealth of Winskill info in those earlier entries. Please let us know more about your branch.

Amanda Jean Winskill in Cumbria at 21:01:43 Monday October 4 2004
Hi Glyn, We were sat at home at my parents house tonight talking about the family name and I came home and looked on the net on the off chance that I would find something. My name is Amanda Winskill and I have a Sister Pamela, and two brothers Mark and David. My dad is also called David and my mam Elaine. We live in a little town called Aspatria in Cumbria around 15 miles from Keswick. When looking through your list of Winskills I see that you have Mr H Winskill born in Penrith Cumbria. This was my Granfather and he married Mary Carr. Unfortunately they have both passed away now but my father and brothers are here to carry on the family name. It has been inspiring reading your sight. Thank You.

Ed Winskill in Tacoma at 17:22:57 Monday October 4 2004
Good to hear from you, Peter. Yes, Mt. St. Helens is about 100 miles south of here. But I think folks are excited because the mountain has been essentially quiet for about 18 years. In the four of five years after the giant eruption, there would be these secondary eruptions that we're now seeing on a somewhat frequent basis. They got almost routine. But now it's newsworthy again after the long quiescent period! Inasmuch as the whole top of the mountain blew off in '81, I doubt that there'll be anything much bigger than what we've been seeing lately. In geological time terms, St. Helens is a very active volcano, having had a giant eruption in the early 1800s, as well. You can see an ash layer nearly an inch thick a few inches down in the soil in Mt. Rainier national park from that earlier eruption, which was even bigger than the '81 blast.

Peter Winskill in LA at 21:44:50 Sunday October 3 2004
The world is focussing on your neighborhood at the moment, Ed ?! I think the volcano is about 100 miles south of you ? Anyway, good luck.

Margery Cook in Longridge Lancs at 16:36:51 Sunday October 3 2004
Hi My father was Richard Winskill Cooke born in Higham Lancs.His mother was born Margaret Ellen Cook in Kettlewell N. Yorkshire in 1871 and her mother was Ellen Winskill born I believe in Settle in N.Yorkshire in 1844. To confuse matters I married a Cook!! I don't know any more of my great grandmother but her huband Thomas Cook was born in Tosside on N Yorkshire/Lancs border in 1851 and his family grave is inthe churchyard there.

Ed Winskill in Tacoma at 17:31:38 Wednesday September 29 2004
Excellent Glyn, to see at last a clear pic of you and your good lady! These photo services are great; I urge everyone in the clan to use them. I'm going to put up some more on my photobucket site soon, and I'm aiming to scan the pix we got with Sir Archie a couple of years ago; I think these would be of great interest.

Glyn in Sheffield at 21:18:58 Tuesday September 28 2004
To follow Ed's earlier example, I have started a photo album at clubphoto.com, please click to visit, and have places a couple of photos of myself and my wife Andrea on there. Anyone wishing to add their picture please email it to me.

fran lang nee winskill in north wales at 18:55:03 Saturday September 11 2004
Ian thanks for giving such a lot of info. i am fairly new to the internet. so its like teaching an old dog new tricks but i am gradualy getting there. i haven't a clue on finding info myself.I would love to find out more about my dad and the seven brothers and sisters i never met. As i have said before i was 15 the day he died and he was an old man of 77, and didn't speak about his past apart from being in 2 world wars,and getting frost bite. i have never seen any photo's of him or any of his children.If anyone has any more info i would be gratful. Thanks again Ian

Fran in north wales at 17:37:26 Saturday September 11 2004
Ian thanks for your info i was startled at how much you know,i no nothing about my Dad, as i said he died when i was 15 and he was an old man of 77.and he never spoke about his back ground only that he was in the 2 world wars. i only found out about his twin sister because she came to our house when he died but wouldn't come to the funarel. the rest of what i know my half brothers and sisters told me from what they remembered. they were only young when he married my mam.i am really glad you have shared your knowledge with me. if you find out anything else i will be gratfull if you let me know

Ian Neal in Birmingham (UK) at 01:15:30 Wednesday September 8 2004
Fran,
Looking at 1891 census, living at 11 Park St, Hulme, Manchester (RG12/3191/141/9):
John Winskill Head Married 36 Tailor Manchester
Mary E. " Wife Married 34 "
W. H. " Son Single 14 Scholar "
Fred " Son Single 12 "
" Ernest " Son Single 11 "
" Ada " Daur Single 8 "
" Herbert " Son Single 9 "
" Albert " Son Single 3
" Fanny " Daur Single 3
" Gertrude " Daur Single 1.5 "

In 1881 census at 37 Mark St, Hulme, Lancashire (RG11/3933/135/34):
John Winskill Head Married 25 Tailor Hulme, Lancashire
Mary E. " Wife Married 23 " "<BR> William H. " Son 3 "
"Frederic " Son 2 "
" Ernest " Son 11m "
" William Whiteley FatherInLaw Widowed 65 Retford, Nottingham

at 54 Dale St, Hulme, Lancashire (RG11/3927/77/15):
James Winskill Head Married 56 Tailor Westmorland
Mary Ann " Wife Married 50 Manchester
Rebecca " Daur Single 21 Tailoress
" Mary Alice " Daur Single 16 Cotton Weaver
" Alfred " Son Single 15 Teleg Messenger
" Helen " Daur 10 Scholar
" Lily " Daur 8 Scholar
" Arthur " Son 5 Scholar

In 1871 census at 11 Stamford St, Hulme, Manchester (RG10/3998/19/31):
James Winskill Head Married 47 Tailor Manchester
Mary Ann " Wife Married 46 Seamstress
" James " Son Single 19 Tailor
" Thomas " " " 17 Warehouseman
" John " " " 15 "
" Mary Ann " Daur 6 Scholar
" Rebecca " " 11 "
" Alfred " Son 5 "
" Ellen " Daur 10m "

From IGI Bishop's transcripts Parish Church of Kirkby-Lonsdale:
James Winskill, christened 18 Sep 1825, Kirkby Lonsdale, Westmorland Parents James Winskill and Eleanor.

Other possible children of James and Eleanor from IGI:
Thomas Winskil christened 13 Nov 1814, Kirkby Lonsdale, Westmorland
John Winskele christened 14 Sep 1817, Kirkby Lonsdale, Westmorland
William Winskill christened 18 May 1823, Kirkby Lonsdale, Westmorland
Rebecca Winskill christened 18 May 1823, Kirkby Lonsdale, Westmorland

Parish registers Church of England. Cathedral Church (Manchester, Lancashire):
James Winskill married Mary Ann Coleman 18 May 1851 Cathedral, Manchester, Lancashire

The parish register of Thornton-in-Lonsdale, (1576-1812):
James Winskale married Eleanor Batty 30/31 Jan 1802 Thornton in Lonsdale, Yorkshire
Agnes Winskale christened 9 Feb 1803 Thornton in Lonsdale, Yorkshire
Isabella Batty Winskill born 19 May 1810, christened 10 Jun 1810 Thornton in Lonsdale, Yorkshire
Mary Winskil born 8 Oct 1807, christened 15 Nov 1807 Thornton in Lonsdale, Yorkshire
Agnes Winskil born 8 Feb 1803, christened 23 Feb 1803 Thornton in Lonsdale, Yorkshire
Jane Winskil born 2 Mar 1806, christened 30 Mar 1806 Thornton in Lonsdale, Yorkshire

IGI info must be taken with a pinch of salt though, hope this helps.

Diane Morris in Canada at 08:19:47 Saturday September 4 2004
Looking for my Grandfather Frederick William Davis Welham born in Aberdeen around 1880. Married Isabella Brebner in 1904 Had two sons Frederick and Ernest. Emigrated to either USA or Canada between 1911 and 1925. Lost all contact and have heard nothing of him since he left Scotland. His parents were John Segar Welham and Mary Cook Welham

fran lang nee winskill in north wales at 19:26:47 Friday September 3 2004
I haven't been on the internet for a long while but was pleased to hear from Ed. i'm still looking for info on my dad or any relitives. my dads name was Albert Winskill. his d.o.b. 6 april 1988. he ad 7 children to his first wife then Married my mam who already had 6 children then went on to have me and my brother Ken. we lived in blackley North Manchester untill the early 50's.one of his sons lived with us for a while but things didn't work out.i know he had sons John, lenard and stanley. daughter Rita but i don,t know what his first wife was called. he had a twin sister Fanny. if anyone knows anything could you let me know thanks Fran.

Ed Winskill in Tacoma at 23:57:46 Tuesday August 31 2004
Bernard Winskill is a name which I've come across from time to time in web searches on Winskill matters. I've seen many examples of his porcelain figures, mostly of military commanders, in pictures on the internet. Royal Worcester and other well-known companies produced his works. I've seen catalogue references from the sixties and early seventies, but have never seen any biographical or other personal information about this man. Is he still alive and working? Does anyone have any information? Here is a Winskill who has made an impact in an interesting field that we haven't heard anything about...

Jan Ennis in Michigan USA at 14:35:49 Sunday August 29 2004
Researching surnames HOBSON and HAY SUNDERLAND AREA (ca 1800 and before Houghton le Spring, Bishopwearmouth, Sunderland. JOHN HOBSON m MARGARET HAY 02 JUN 1798 Sunderland, Durham, England Occp: Shipowner Possible burial Duham County Burial Index GENUKI: Hobson, John of Newbottle aged 53 - 2 Jan 1827 - Houghton-le-Spring .This would put birth date at 1774 Children: William Hay Hobson b 1799 and Jane b 1801 Bishopwearmouth William m Ann (possible Johnson/Johnston lived in Penshaw-Found 6 parish records for children Houghton le Spring register that John & Margaret lived in West Herrington when William Hay was born and again John was a native of Fatfield. Note that John named his son William and may be John's father's first name Thanks for any hints and clues

Ed Winskill in Tacoma at 19:47:27 Wednesday August 25 2004
Here's a pic of some of the Tacoma Winskills, from left to right, the brothers, Bob, Don, me (in the hat), John, and Jim, and our uncle, Bob Winskill, whom I have often referred to here:http://photobucket.com/albums/v446/edwinskill/?action=view&current=PC070036.jpg Glyn, could you enable the link when you have a chance? I recently opened a free account at photobucket.com; a good way to send pics out there...others should give it a try. This photo was taken at a boar hunt at uncle Bob's mountain ranch in Sonoma County, Calif. I think I sent a copy of this to Glyn and Peter a couple of years ago, but had no way to link to it then. It would be fun to see pictures of others of the far-flung clan.

Glyn in Sheffield at 10:47:11 Sunday July 18 2004
Thanks for the input David, very interesting article. I've linked the web address to the article so anyone can just click the link to read it. I don't know of any other "sporting greats" but my brother Kieth was Army diving champion during his time in the army, but that was a few years ago now. The site seems to have gone quiet lately so come on guys, lets have some posts

David Winskill, London in at 16:32:22 Saturday July 17 2004
I spotted this in The Times (London) today. http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,4-1181545,00.html .Any other sporting greats in the Winskill family?

Evelyn Tanner in London area at 10:33:03 Tuesday July 13 2004
My great grandfater was John Lowther born 15.5.1835. He lived in Sculcoates, Hull, East Yorkshire, and I think married Eliza Hurton. His father appears to have been John Lowther also. I can't trail any farther back, but we have a bible with names in earlier, e.g. Walter born 1810.

mrs sandra spence in Chester-Le-Strret at 00:30:20 Monday July 5 2004
want to find out all about sunderland. Was raised there but my great grandparents are fascinating. Robert Bamborough a master river pilot was so important that the flags on all the river vessels flew at half mast on the day of his funeral. My 'other' great grandfather Thomas Cottrell, born in Shoreditch London, married to Isabella Maddison in South Shields moved to Sunderland between 1870 and 1877 to live in Malings Rigg I cannot find his birth can anyone help me, Thanks

Ed Winskill in Tacoma at 16:58:24 Monday June 28 2004
There is an interesting association between Winskill Farms in Yorkshire and North Yorkshire dialect poetry. A man by the name of Tom Twistleton was raised at Winskill Farm, near Langcliffe (this is our Lower and High Winskill), having moved there with his parents as a young boy in the mid-1800s. He became famed for vigorous poetry in the Craven dialect, and collections of this poetry are available online. He farmed at Winskill until late in his life, and died in 1917. Interestingly, one of his sons, Henry Lea Twistleton, was born at Winskill farm and emigrated to New Zealand, as did a number of Tom's other sons. Henry Lea evidently gained some measure of fame himself as a kiwi poet.

Ian Neal in Birmingham (UK) at 16:38:27 Sunday June 27 2004
Elizabeth's birth was registered Q1 1869 and her death in the same quarter, she was christened 20 Feb 1869 at Brougham Street Primitive Methodist, West Hartlepool, Durham. Charlotte Ann was christened 28 Aug 1881 in Oundle and Mary was christened 5 Jun 1886 again in Oundle. Information from 1837online.com and familysearch.org.

Glyn in Sheffield UK at 23:46:30 Saturday June 26 2004
Hi Ray thanks for your input. I have more info on birth dates of Charles F and Charlotte A‘s children. Elizabeth b. 1869 in Hartlepool, Louise Ellen b. 1871 Hartlepool, Alma Rose b. Sept 1876 Oundle, Winifred b. 24 Aug 1879 Oundle, Charlotte Ann b. 1881 Oundle, Charles H b. 1882 Oundle, James L b. 1884 Oundle, Ethel b.1887 Oundle, Elsdon b. 4 Dec 1888 Grantham, Herbert (my grandfather) b. 1 Nov 1890 Grantham. Elsdon is listed on microfiche as being born in the 1st quarter of 1889 but in fact his birth certificate clearly states born 4 Dec 1888 and registered on 12 Jan 1889. I also have found a Mary Winskill born & died in 2nd quarter of 1886 in Oundle and listed via the Family search site as born to Charles Frederick Winskill and Charlotte Ann so must be one of theirs. Have not found a reference to a Nellie yet but will keep searching. It is great to get recollections from the elders of the Winskill clan. When I started researching the family my own late father’s memory was not so great and although I got some info it was a little sketchy.

kate stones in Eire at 21:14:26 Saturday June 26 2004
is anyone out there a 'Stones' from New Penshaw,Houghton-le-spring, co durham. uk. If so, email me & let me know

Raymond Buck in Connecticut at 20:59:24 Saturday June 26 2004
Here's some odds and ends from my mother's recollections of conversations with her mother Winifred #3 on your list. Winifred was sent to Sheffield at age 12 to live with her sister Louisa. This was decided by Charles F. since Winifred was a favorite of his and since Winfred and her mother did not get along. It was a great move for Winifred since Louisa who had married Adams was much better off than the rest of the family. Adams'father owned the shoop that made steel cutlery and son Herbert traveled widely as a sales person. Herbert had a brother who wanted to marry Winifred but she chose Stokes and went with him to America. When Stokes died, Louisa tried to persuade Winifred to return to England and Sheffield. ldest daughter Gertrude and son Albert refused and that was that. Winifred thought children of her mother's siblings resented her being sent off to live with Louisa. My mother remembers her mother saying they had enough money to be able to attend the coronation. My nother remembers her mother corresponding with Winskills, especially before and during the war. At about the time of the bombing one of the Winskill family was about to send a daughter (she thinks named Janet) to America to live with us for the duration of the war but it never happened because a boat with kids on it was torpedoed just before and the parents changed their minds. My grandmother and mother/father had made all the arrangements on this side for this to happen. She remembers visiting a Winskill who had come over to live in Peekskill, N.Y., sometime after the war, probably because she had married an American GI. She remembers her mother talking about several members of the family flying Spitfires and that one was a decorated hero but my mother cannot connect Sir Archie to any of the siblings. She remembers her mother saying that her mother Charlotte had terrible problems with her legs. She believes that one of Louisa's daughters was named Violet and that Louisa had twins. She said Adams did come to the U.S. for quite awhile and that he went back the U.K. to die -- she thinks she recalls her mother saying that Adams sickness, that caused a separation from Louisa, was caused by his playing around with loose women over here -- syphillis and that he had passed it on to her. She said her mother said many times that her mother was a shrew I will attempt to jog her memory for more. Her mind is great at 94 but she has major health problems. Her long term memory comes and goes. What was the family doing in Oundle where Winifred was born? That's near Cambridge a long way from Durham. I found another piece in my scattered papers from 2002, an e-mail from my correspondent on the Stokes family (she's a distant cousin who once worked in the United Arab Emirates and now has a lovely bed and breakfast in Penzance (I think -- I'll have to check that). In any case she forwarded an e-mail she received (no name or e-mail address) that read: H, here is some info on the Winskills. Charles F. was born 01/08/1846, Houghton le Spring, Durham died 13/01/14 Sheffield, Charlotte A. born 19/07/1849, died 12/03/1925 Sheffield,. They married 17/12/1867 in Hartlepool. They had a very large family and these are the fews found so far. Elizabeth m. date unk. Louise E. 1871, Alma 1877, Winifred 1879, May date unk, Charlotte A. 1881, Cfharles H. 1883, James L. 1884, Nellie date unk/, Ethel date unnk Elsdon (my granddad) 1889, Herbert 1889 P.S. Elsdon and Herbert are not twins. Herbert was born exactly 9 months after Elsdon, though family legend has it that there were 3 sets of Twins. Not found any yet. I haven't corresponded with Liz Newbery who sent this on to me in a number of year. Her e-mail back then was e.newbery@btinternet.com. She is a delightful person, has her own website and and is an avid genealogist. Not like me. I can't find much of my materials --some a probably down in Florida where I will be from July 4 to 12. Oh, just found a note that my grandmother spoke of someone in the family who was a German named Schmidt who was made to move away from the coast during the war. Apologies for this being so long but I thought I should get it all off to you before several other projects claim my time.

Glyn in Sheffield UK at 15:05:12 Saturday June 26 2004
Hi Ray....the Sue Barnes you refer to did for a while work alongside my wife Andrea and there were some differences of opinion as to her recollections of the family name. The Winskill connection was via her mother-in-law, if I remember correctly. As you are aware, there are many branches to the Winskill tree and unfortunately, different branches seem to use the same or similar names in each others families. I have also heard that Charles F and Charlotte A had 20 children of which my grandfather Herbert was the youngest. To date I have only been able to verify 9 children born to Charles and Charlotte and none, as yet, twins. The search goes on.

Ray Buck in Connecticut at 14:42:10 Saturday June 26 2004
Have you had contact with a Sue Barnes, suebarnes276@virgin.net from Sheffield, England? Two years ago when I was actively involved in genealogy on both sides of Atlantic which I am not now I had two messages from her and I can't for the life of me recall whether or how I responded. Her first message was "Hi, my mother in law, is the daughter of Elsden WINSKILL, granddaughter of Charles Frederick Winskill and Ann Elsdon. Also niece of Winifred Ashworth, formerly Stokes, nee Winskill." The second e-mail I find in a dusty file is as follows: "As far as we are aware, and from info passed down from Elsdon, Charles F. had not painted for years bvefore his death and sad to say his death was caused by his liking for drink. he had been an 'alco' for many years. His profession had been journeyman painter, painting mostly raiway carriages and pub signs. His son John Lockley Winskill carried this work on in Ilkaston, Derby, where he lived close to his sister Alma WESSON. Do you know how many siblings Winifred had? Family legend has it that Charlotte gave birth to 20, and this included three sets of twins. Also do you know the answer to the other family legend concerning Louisa Ellen's husband Herbert ADAMS. He is supposed to have gone tgo America to visit Winifred, taken ill, died and was buried there. He certainly is not buried with his wife. No is he buried in the Adams grave. p.s. came across 15/12/02 TOM WINSKILL born Sheffield 1899, looking into it.' In my next note to you I shall give you my 94 year old mother's memory recollections on all this. Ray

Ian Neal in Birmingham (UK) at 01:09:08 Saturday June 26 2004
I presume the 1841/1851 census records for Houghton Le Spring will be avaiable from Durham records office though Newcastle might have them as well. Names and dates for people were got from 1837online.com and reading the BMD records there. For Thomas Winskill's birth/christening dates that was from IGI (familysearch.org - batch number P000221 Sheet 00 - Parish register transcripts, 1573-1812 Church of England. Parish Church of Berwick-upon-Tweed (Northumberland) - Film or fiche number 0094988). Same source for Mary Winskill's. Hope that information is what you were searching for.

Ed Winskill in Tacoma at 00:08:24 Saturday June 26 2004
Glyn, David Fahey's biographical sketch of Peter T. Winskill observes that he frequently changed employment. He was successively a teaching assistant, construction worker, iron moulder, book and insurance agent, and auctioneer. So your information is confirmed.

Glyn in Sheffield UK at 15:55:51 Friday June 25 2004
Ray.Your entry for Charles Fredericks father and grandfather do not match with Ian's. Any chance you could both let me know your sources. As I said earlier I will soon be visiting the Newcastle records office and I may be able to confirm some of the enteries. Thanks

leslie foster in liverpool at 00:10:04 Friday June 25 2004
i am trying to trace the foster family tree who come from liverpool uk

Glyn in Sheffield UK at 20:40:03 Thursday June 24 2004
Wow the info Ian has posted has got me very interested and a lot of what he posted fits in with the family line. I will have to ammend my tree as I had a Christopher Winskill and Elizabeth taylor down as Thomas's parents. I have found in the 1881 census an entry for Peter T Winskill (46) married To Elizabeth(43) and 9 children living in Warrington England which fits with Ed's Petr T and his temperance activities in the Liverpool area. Ed...the occupation listed for Peter T is Auctioneer. Wonder if you have any info to confirm this. By the way..the temperance side of Peter T has NOT been passed down the ages.

Ed Winskill in Tacoma at 18:49:13 Wednesday June 23 2004
Truly fantastic to see the recent contributions to Glyn's site. Here's another tidbit about P.T. Winskill. His Temperance Standard Bearers is over 1,000 pages in length. It contains an autobiographical memoir, and brief sketches of more than 7,000 temperance reformers. The work contains many tables designed to show the advantages, primarily longevity, "arising from the faithful practice of total abstinence from all kinds of intoxicating liquors and tobacco". Trades and professions of teetotalers include 43 lawyers, 564 Nonconformist ministers, 5 shepherds, and two town criers. The drinking shepherds, I surmise, were those who drove their flocks through High Winskill and other windy and lonely spots. (This is my interpolation, not David Fahey's!)There are evidently only 10 copies of this work extant in major libraries, but it is evidently available on microfilm. I expect there are many others privately held. It would be interesting to lay hands on one.

Ed Winskill in Tacoma at 17:09:03 Wednesday June 23 2004
Wow, Ray and Ian. What a wealth of info on the Durham Winskill's. So, Glyn, you're related to a stalwart temperance crusader! I'll have to put up more about Peter T. soon. This is great stuff...

Ian Neal in Birmingham (UK) at 16:41:47 Wednesday June 23 2004
Okay I have managed to look at the 1841 and 1851 censuses (censum/censi?) for Houghton Le Spring. It shows that Thomas Winskill was from Berwick (born about 1805) and Elizabeth Lockley from Helmsley/Helmshel (born about 1809).This seems to equate well with their marriage and there is a Thomas Winskill born on 24 Nov 1804 in Berwick Upon Tweed. His parents were Thomas Winskill and Mary Turner which explains Peter Turner Winskill's middle name. I've not yet found a match for Elizabeth though. The census shows in 1841 there was living in Houghton Le Spring - Thomas(35), Elizabeth(30), Robert(26), Mary(12), Peter(7), Jane(5), Elizabeth(3) and Margaret(1) - Margaret was the only one born in the locality. The 1851 census for Houghton Le Spring shows - Thomas(45), Elizabeth(41), Peter T.(16), Jane H.(15), Elizabeth L.(13), Margaret A.(10), James L.(8), Amelia L.(6), Charles F.V. (4) and Robert T.B.(1). I checked FreeBMD and all the L. are Lockley, all the A. are Ann and Robert is Robert Thomas Burne. Elizabeth Lockley Winskill married Joseph Ellis in Q3 1854 and Peter, James and Charles are already known about. Thomas Winskill and Mary Turner also had a daughter Mary Winskill born on 19 Mar 1808 again in Berwick Upon Tweed. I'm still trying to get my head round the Elsdon census entries. P.S. Sorry Raymond

Ian Neal in Birmingham (UK) at 23:49:03 Tuesday June 22 2004
I've been researching the Winskill family tree from the Houghton Le Spring side of things and noticed that the Peter T. Winskill mentioned below had a son James L. Winskill. A bit of digging reveals that his middle names is Lockley making me suspect that Peter was one of Thomas Winskill's and Elizabeth Lockley's children. I've already been contacted by Glyn and he's updated his GenCircles site with the information I have on GenesReunited. If anyone wants a copy of the info I have or a gedcom/paf then let me know.

Glyn in Sheffield UK at 22:15:43 Tuesday June 22 2004
Thanks for that Ray Has helped fill some holes. I agree with the dates you have for Charles Frederick, both birth and marriage, as I have copies of the certificates. I differ on the birth and death of Charlotte but as I will be visiting Newcastle upon Tyne records office in the near future, I will confirm these dates later. Interesting to note you comment on the Duke of Northumberland. My late father used to speak of his parents talking about a lost inheritance. May be some truth in it after all. Give my best wishes to your mother Winifred and keep visiting the guestbook for further updates.

Raymond Buck in Connecticut (summers)Florida (winters) U.S.A. at 21:29:03 Tuesday June 22 2004
My grandmother Winifred Winskill is number 3 child on your listing of descendents of Charles Frederick Winskill. She was born 24 August 1879 in Oundle, England. She died 17 November 1969 in Providence, Rhode Island, U.S.A. Winnie's first marriage was to Albert Edward Stokes b. 19 May 1875 in Sheffield, England, d. 5 April 1919 in Pawticket, Rhode Island, U.S.A. Winnie and Albert were married about 1899/1900 in Sheffield, England. They came to the U.S.A. in 1907 on the Hibernia. Albert's father Henry Edward Stokes and grandfather John Stokes were all working silversmiths. They had three children Gertrude, Albert, and my mother Winifred Louise. My records indicate Charles Frederick Winskill's birth as 1 August 1846 in Houghton Le Spring, Durham and his death as 13 January 1914 in Sheffield. Charles Frederick married Charlotte Ann Elsdon on 17 December 1867 in Hartlepool, England Charlotte Ann was born 19 July 1849 in Stockton on Tees, and died 13 December 1925 in Sheffield. My notes say that Charles Frederick was a painter of ceilings in large homes and that he died from a fall. Also that he painted pub signs and other things like that. He was said according to my 94 year old mother to come from the illegitimate side of the Duke of Northumberland line and that there was once a case in the courts seeking an inheritance. I have Charles Frederick's father as Thomas Winskill, christened 1 March 1795 in Sunderland, Durham, and Thomas' father as a Christopher Winskill, married to an Elizabeth Taylor on 28 Dec. 1807 in Bishopwearmouth Durham. Charles Frederick's mother was Elizabeth Lockley, b. 9 February 1815 in Sunderland; I have a wedding date of 14 Aug 1827 in Sunderland which I don't think works unless they married at 12 years of age those days. Charlotte Ann's father was Joseph Elsdon, a farmer ch. 9 Sept. 1810 in Bishopwearmouth, Durham and her mother was Elizabeth Oliver. Joseph's father ws probably James Elsdon ch 25 March 1784 at All Saints in Newcastle upon Tyne Some of the later entries in this are possibly off base.

Amanda Cunningham in SE London at 21:13:10 Tuesday June 22 2004
Glyn In answer to your question John Winskell was 26/27 years old when he married Sarah Smith in 1790 - they were both still alive in 1841 and by an amazing piece of luck the Census recorder did not round down their ages as he was supposed to, but recorded their exact ages he was 78 and she 80. Sarah died in Manchester 1843 and is recorded as the "wife" rather than "widow" of John Winskell, but to date I have not been able to trace John's death. Perhaps you will make more progress here. Interesting to note that Sarah was older than her husband, something of a feature of marriages in this branch of the family!

Ed Winskill in Tacoma at 17:30:07 Monday June 21 2004
Amanda, yours is a very interesting post, and a great reminder that in fact "Winskill" is one of the variant spellings of the same name derived from the old Norse for "shelter from the wind". My uncle Bob's researches in Cumbria to which I have several times referred has materials in it which often refer to Winskells. Sometimes it's hard for us to remember that the standardization of spelling is a relatively recent phenomenon in English, a lot of it coming in the last 200 years. In fact, "Winscales", among other things the name of a nuclear power station in England (from the name of its location, I believe), is also a variant spelling, and this variant also shows up in the Cumbrian records. And indeed, the tent is more than big enough for you and the other Winskells!

Peter Winskill in Los Angeles at 16:57:04 Sunday June 20 2004
Amanda Cunningham I was interested to read your comments. When I was about nine years old, I remember my father remarking that a branch of the family name had been spelled with an "e" but had been changed sometime in the 18th century. (I wish my short term memory were so reliable!) I am also intrigued by the way "Frederick" seems to pop up again and again along with Thomas, Robert and so on. My own father's name was Frederick Noel - the latter because he was born on December 25, 1899. I guess all of us are related at some point in the past two hundred years going back into the mists of time !

Glyn in Sheffield at 10:45:30 Saturday June 19 2004
Amanda, just a question. Do you know how old John Winskell was when he married Sarah?

Glyn in Sheffield at 10:35:09 Saturday June 19 2004
Hello Amanda and Welcome. Thanks for your contribution. I have been aware of the ‘E’ spelling of the family name and agree with you that it is probably to do more with the accent. In my searches I have found even place name entries in official documents to be misspelled, which does slow down the searching process. I am personally trying to find all of my immediate family ancestors at this time and as you suggest, they did have the annoying practice of giving children the same first names. There seems to be many different ways of spelling Winskill which could be misspelled, either deliberate or accident, and as yet I have stuck to the spelling of my own surname. Interestingly I have recently discovered a tentative link to Manchester and will now investigate this further. In a few weeks time I will be visiting the records office in Newcastle which holds the parish registers for the north east area, where my side of the family come from. Hopefully I will be able to shed some light on some of my missing ancestors. If I get anymore information on the Manchester link I will let you know. In the meantime keep visiting the site and contribute all you can.

Amanda Cunningham in SE London at 23:09:26 Friday June 18 2004
Hello I love this site and hope that I can fit in here somewhere. I have been researching my own branch of this family who seem to have been spelling their name with an E for about 200 years. I would say at the outset that the E spelling is not entirely consistent - but as people, particularly hard pressed officials, wrote what they heard, the E/I difference is probably more to do with accent than anything else- particularly since this branch of the family moved from Manchester to London. I have traced my line back to Manchester where in 1790 at Manchester Cathederal Sarah Smith married John Winskell. He was not from that parish and no further info is known to me at the moment. They had at least 1 child, Henry jonathan Winskell91794-1843) my ggg grandfather, who had at least 2 surviving sons, Henry and Charles Frederick(1830-1904) my gg gf. CFW was baptised in London in 1837 and married Elizabeth Jane Batt at St Martin in the Fields in Trafalgar Square in 1857. They had 8 children, the youngest of whom, Henry 1874-1958 was my g gf.HW and his wife Eliza had 5 children, the youngest son ,Herbert Charles 1910-1988 being my gf. From Henry and Eliza's children there are now Winskells in Sussex,Dorset,North London,Kent and Bedfordshire. There are very few others about and these may well be children of CFW's sons Robert and Herbert Frederick. (Rather unhelpfully they continued to to re-use existing names)Does anyone know or know of any of them? Out of general interest, if you are not already aware, the earliest references to Winskell/ill are Thomas de Wynscales and John de Wynschales in the 1332 Subsidy Rolls for Cumbria and Thomas Wynteskelf in the 1542 Register of Freemen of the City of York. Glyn,I hope this will fit in to your ever expanding Winskill family tree. Oh, nearly forgot, I am Amanda Cunningham, nee Winskell, daughter of John and Josephine, and I live with my husband and 3 young children in SE London.

Ed Winskill in Tacoma at 01:43:25 Friday June 18 2004
As promised, here is some of the information about Peter Turner Winskill, kindly provided by Prof. David Fahey, and incorporated in his encyclopedia entries about this interesting 19th century clansman. P.T. Winskill of course must be understood in the context of the international temperance movements of the 19th and early 20th centuries. While issues of alcohol and and its use and abuse are to one degree or another perennial in society, it is difficult at our remove to appreciate the social force and importance of the temperance movement to its time. We need only consider the fact that after WWI alcohol prohibition was written into the US Constitution to realize the magnitude of the political and social forces behind this organized international movement, which now seems in so many ways a remote and even forgotten one. Peter T. Winskill (1834-1912) was prominent in the English temperance movement, with the greatest force of his leadership being in Liverpool and the surrounding region. Perhaps his greatest lasting importance is as a historian of the temperance movement, a subject upon which he published several books. These include: A Comprehensive History of the Rise and Progress of the Temperance Reformation (1881); History of the Temperance Movement in Liverpool and District (1887); The Temperance Movement and Its Workers (4 vols. 1891-2); and Temperance Standard Bearers of the Nineteenth Century (1898). The latter 2-volume work became a classic of temperance literature, and was and is referred to in the field as Winskill's Standard Bearers. It contains brief biographers of more than 7,000 British temperance workers, crusaders, and noteworthy abstainers! We should note also that Peter Turner Winskill wrote of his hostility to "the stinking fumes of tobacco". I'll post more from David Fahey's articles here from time to time. And I will reflect on this condemnation over tonight's cigar.

Ed Winskill in Tacoma at 23:10:23 Thursday June 17 2004
Peter, I remember the exchange, of course, but I'm pretty confident this is the same P.T. Winskill, but he was as far as I know only in England, not in Boston USA, unless he may have visited there on temperance matters. I'm rushed right now, but will soon post the interesting details about this man reflected in Prof. Fahey's articles.

Peter M. Winskill in Los Angeles at 14:37:46 Thursday June 17 2004
Hello Ed - if you scroll back about two years, I referred to Peter T. Winskill - my namesake - who lived in the Boston area I believe and was a leader of the 19th century temperance movement. I came across his name in 1976 when I was doing research in the London Library - there were some references to him there which I sent on to David Fahey. I got the impression he was a bit of a prig and self righteous - the nearest equivalent today being perhaps a fundamentalist Christian. So I doubt whether I would have wanted to meet him !!

Glyn in Sheffield at 22:06:45 Wednesday June 16 2004
I have posted my family tree on GenCircles website and found some useful links too! get there by clicking this LINK

Glyn in at 16:01:49 Tuesday June 15 2004
Thanks for that Ed...certainly something to get my teeth into there..My grandfather was born in Houghton le Spring in 1890....his father Charles Frederick was born in Hartlepool 1846....His father Thomas was married in 1827 not sure yet when Thomas was born or where, but now armed with your info I will have to track Thomas down to see if there is a connection. I have found though that the further back I go the harder it is to get information. There seems to have been a lot of Winskills about in the north east around this time and it takes a lot of time reserching them any help welcome.

Ed Winskill in Tacoma at 22:35:20 Monday June 14 2004
David M. Fahey, a professor at Miami University of Oxford, Ohio, and coeditor of Alcohol and Temperance in Modern History, An International Encyclopedia, has kindly sent me two short articles from that publication, authored by him, about Peter Turner Winskill. P.T. Winskill was one of the most prominent of 19th century historians of the temperance movement, and was himself a crusading templar. I'll post some details about this interesting figure later. Right now, I espy some facts that may be of particular interest to Glyn. Peter T. Winskill was born in Newcastle-on-Tyne, and he received such education he had at Houghton-le-Spring, Durham. Glyn, he may well be connected to you! He had 14 children, several of whom died in early adulthood. His dates are 1834-1912.

Ed Winskill in Tacoma at 22:45:22 Wednesday June 9 2004
If you scroll down quite a ways, you will see David Fahey's inquiries about Peter T. Winskill; we weren't able to help him, but were very interested in his researches. Peter Turner Winskill was a well-known 19th century English anti-alcohol crusader, and wrote a book usually referred to as Winskill's Standard Bearers, that is historically important in the temperance movement. Very few copies of it survive. I contacted David recently, and he advised me that he published a paper about this abstemious Winskill notable in an academic publication last December. He's mailing me a copy, and I look forward to it with great interest, and will of course post interesting information here when I've received the material. This of course represents a somewhat different branch of Winskill tradition to that of my forbears' occupations as publicans and "purveyors of beer"!

Elizabeth Friedrich in Kennewick, Washington USA at 00:18:09 Thursday May 27 2004
Just checking in after a long absence. I am Ed's sister, and since we live some distance from each other, our visits are too infrequent and short to share much family history. Consequently, this site has been a delight! I am so sorry, Glyn, to hear about your father and mother-in-law. Please accept my condolences as well. So many of our family are gone, but our dad's first cousin Carol Gilbert (Aileen Winskill's sister) still lives in Victoria, British Columbia, and has five children living in Canada. I will alert Carol and Dick about the site so they can pass it along to their familiy.

Ed Winskill in Tacoma at 00:04:58 Thursday May 27 2004
No problem, Glyn, sounds like a good precaution. Thanks for doing the link. Those of you who have images out there on the web, let's see your mugs, or in the cases of Amanda and Linda, your visages. You may have a pic on the web and not know it. Try Google Images; a lot of stuff starting to show up there.

Glyn in Sheffield at 17:05:44 Wednesday May 26 2004
Sorry Ed..at the moment I can only enter a link within my web page editing software.I will link your entry to the required website. Any one else requiring a link to a website will have to let me know and I will oblige. With some of the surfers who visit the site from time to time (and I edit out) I would not wish to give them the opportunity of linking to a dubious site . Sorry for the inconvenience.

Ed in Tac at 18:19:38 Tuesday May 25 2004
You can highlight my address in the post, enter it into your browser, and see my pic. Why don't some others of you do the like if you have a pic floating out there on the web.

Ed Winskill in at 18:07:15 Tuesday May 25 2004
Didn't link...how do you do that, Glyn?

Ed Winskill in Tacoma at 18:06:36 Tuesday May 25 2004
I notice that in his last post, Glyn linked his geneological info. We couldn't link here before. So I'm giving a try to link to my office website with a picture of yours truly. We'll see if it works: http://www.dpearson.com/attys/edwardwinskill.htm Note that where it says "practicing law for over 50 years" it's referring to my firm, not to me! I'm not there yet (but getting closer all the time...). Note to Brent Hannam; I expect that Linda or other Kiwis may have used the Hannam name in a post; I did a very quick check but didn't see it.

Brent Neil Hannam in Blenheim, New Zealand at 12:00:49 Friday May 14 2004
Hello, I typed in 'Hannam' and I came here for some reason, anone have any ideas as to why? Cheers, Brent H

Ed Winskill in Tacoma at 17:13:47 Tuesday May 11 2004
Peter, our new office spam filter must have grabbed 'em. I've emailed you and hopefully your reply will get through and the problem will be solved. You bring up a very good point about geneological research. The internet has been utterly invaluable in making the connections we have here, and it couldn't have been done before. But establishing specific family connections still requires real work "on the ground". Thus my uncle Bob and cousin Aileen spent a lot of time in Cumbria, and examined a lot of records and churchyards. In addition, they retained an Appleby geneological researcher who was a great help. (Incidently, her surname was Thwaites, which is old Norse for secondary or outlying farm-- the Norse names proliferate in the North!) So it was no doubt expensive, but of course it was a fun trip to England as well! But only because of their research could the connection with Amanda have been revealed- with her researches too. I hope Amanda posts some discussion about what she had to do to develop the info she has.

Peter in Los Angeles at 04:45:39 Sunday May 9 2004
It's good to see the interaction between the newcomers to the site. Ed, I've sent you three e mails co your lawfirm address - but no reply ! Amanda - I used to know a family in the 70's, the Stockdales, Sir Edmund Stockdale, who lived in Hampshire, a gentry family. he married Louise someone or other whose mother was of the Wells Fargo clan from California. An heiress. Fascinating, all the linkage between the families but it would take a very determined geneolgist with plenty of $$ and time to make all the connections!

Linda Winskill in Christchurch, New Zealand at 08:46:30 Tuesday May 4 2004
Kia Ora folks Glynn, I have just logged in to the website after a period of not taking note of the larger family (or whanau as we say in New Zealand) events . I am sorry to hear about your Dad's death. Our parents are so special and losing them is a major event that takes some getting used to. Ed, great to see you are still paying attention to the family history. It is wonderful to see how many Winskills there are around the world. Please don't stop Ka kite ano (means 'see you' in Maori)

Ed Winskill in Tacoma at 19:03:41 Monday May 3 2004
Houghton le spring is in county Durham, I think; right? Or at least historic county Durham; perhaps now Tyne and Wear. The change in county names makes it a bit hard for the researcher-- Kendal having been in Westmorland and Penrith and Winskill in Cumberland before Cumbria came along. Not surprising some Winskills made it over the Pennines. By the way, Glyn, I see that a Stuart Winskill posted on your homepage from somewhere east of the Pennines-- maybe one of your branch.

Glyn in Sheffield at 23:02:46 Sunday May 2 2004
Hi Just thought I would let you know I have updated my own lineage back to Charles Fredrick Winskill but have many holes in it. Interestingly my grandfather came from Houghton le Spring. Please follow this link to view my updated page http://web.ukonline.co.uk/glyn.winskill/winuk_sw.htm

Ed Winskill in Tacoma at 17:20:31 Friday April 30 2004
I don't think the site as presently set up can accomodate photos, but Glyn can answer that. I'm going to try in the next few days to send you some photos via email attachment. Amanda, I am curious about the research methods you used to trace your family tree. We're these internet-based, "on-the-ground" researches, or both? Just 11 years ago, when my uncle Bob and cousin Aileen did their research, it was still the pre-internet age. They went to birth and death registries, churchyards, etc., and also had the help of a researcher in Appleby that did the same. There were no internet databases. I see that there now are many, but I haven't explored them myself.

amanda b in Sheffield u.k at 23:35:28 Thursday April 29 2004
Ed, i found the details of Thomas's will very interesting,i'm soaking up all this info like a sponge and loving every second of it.I was thinking does this site have any way of posting photograhps as my dad has quite a lot of olds black & white pics of his Grandma Winskill and her brother and sisters, that if you would be interested in seeing them.

Ed Winskill in at 18:58:57 Thursday April 29 2004
Amanda, do grill your dad and extract what you can. And think about reviving that family tradition about Winskill as a middle name. This is in fact an old tradition which was often used to preserve family names. Indeed, sometimes the wife's name was adopted by a husband to preserve it, especially in noble families. Thus the Spensers became Churchills. However, we have no dukedoms on offer, notwithstanding our proud lineage! You are a card-carrying Winskill, and we are not about to let our first proven remote cousin to slip from the grasp of the clan. Now that you are here, and the subject is not merely parochial to my branch alone, I'll relate a bit about Thomas Gudgeon Winskill, the brother of your ancestor Michael. My uncle Bob (good to see him check in) found Thomas's will. Thomas was the father of William Winskill, the matrimonial adventurer who emigrated to Canada and founded our branch. Thomas was a "walking stick manufacturer" and his will shows some prosperity in the terms of the time (1865). Yet he signs the will with his mark: "X". Thus he was illiterate, though a businessman. This example well-illustrates a common transition at the time, in the wake of the industrial revolution; from tenant farming, to trades and businesses, later to education and perhaps the professions. Thomas Winskill was evidently part of this widespread development, which was often followed by another: emigration.

amanda b in Sheffield u.k at 14:58:36 Thursday April 29 2004
MY SYMPATHY TO GLYN'S FAMILY FOR THE LOSS THEY MUST BE FEELING AT THIS PRESENT TIME.

amanda b in Sheffield u.k at 14:55:40 Thursday April 29 2004
Hi Ed,Bad news for my branch of the Winskill's, as my late great grandma was the only Winskill i knew, she did carry on the tradition of giving the children their mother's or grandmothers maiden name.My g/gran only had one child , a son named Jack Winskill Hoyle, i don't believe my dad or his brother were given the Winskill name but i do know my dads brother named his daughter louise winskill hoyle.I couldn't tell you what happened to my G/Grandmas siblings,i remember one of the sisters Edith Minnie(auntie Minnie) living in Halifax u.k in the early 1970's.not much to go on but i will have to start grilling my dad a little bit harder.

Ed Winskill in Tacoma at 22:52:30 Wednesday April 28 2004
Glyn, my deepest condolences to you and your wife and your whole family at this grievous double blow. Best wishes to you all; our prayers and thoughts are with you.

Glyn in Sheffield at 22:44:44 Wednesday April 28 2004
Hello Amanda...glad you found the website of some use to you. As you can see from the entries Ed is the driving force behind the site and has contributed greatly to it. Unfortunately I find little time to do any research into the family at the moment and current events have not helped. Having laid my father to rest on Tuesday 27 April after he passed away on the 19th. we got the sad news that my wifes mother Edith Hull(nee Hobson)passed away on Wednesday morning 28 April. As Ed says in an earlier post , we have reached the time in our life when others pass on but this is the 4th funeral I will have attended this year and is only April. I know time heals but a double edged sword hurts a lot. Keep posting everyone and soon I will be searching deeper into my own family ancestry once again.

Bob Winskill in at 21:51:36 Wednesday April 28 2004
Just checking in - my nephew Ed is doing all the work

Ed Winskill in Tacoma at 21:39:29 Wednesday April 28 2004
It's a glitzy job, which his how Archie described to me his job as Captain of the Queen's Flight. He had many interesting things to say about the Royal Family, and in particular became a close friend of the Queen Mother. Yours similarly sounds very interesting indeed. Sheffield is where Glyn Winskill lives; this is his website and this site has enabled all sorts of Winskill connections and exchanges of info which would not have been possible before. When my wife and I went through the north in the summer of 2002, scheduling problems prevented me and Glyn meeting; sometime you and he should hoist a pint to the Winskills! I would be interested in what Winskills of your branch you know about and how we might bring some of them aboard. It would be fine to round up some more cousins. Anyway, as time passes we'll have a good exchange of knowlege. I had kind of exhausted my fund of Winskill knowlege and discoveries, and was thinking that trying to do some tracing of direct connections would be the next step (some day), when you come along! As to my personal info, you've probably seen it from my many earlier posts. I'm 56, and have five kids; three daughters- 36, 34, and 33-- right in your baliwick.

amanda b in Sheffield u.k at 20:50:56 Wednesday April 28 2004
Hi Ed,This new is fantastic,I don't really know what to tell you about myself, but here goes- Im 33years old and originally from a city called Bradford in West yorkshire,I moved to Sheffield in 1999, with my husband and my 3 daughters, my husband and myself both work for a security company,often getting to meet famous(ish) people and members of the Royal Family(not a bad job, is it).My interest are mainly music(i love going to concerts and live gigs,really enjoy going to a local place in my city to see live gigs(the Leadmill, my work is also based around live music, i think thats the biggest kick of doing the job that do.So that a little about me.

Ed Winskill in Tacoma at 19:43:11 Wednesday April 28 2004
Jackpot, Amanda! I too am directly descended from Robert Winskill who married Jane Brown; Jane died in 1700. You descend from Michael Winskill, born in 1810 according to my information (when did he die?), to Andrew Winskill and Elizabeth Gudgeon Winskill. He was the elder brother to my ancestor, Thomas Gudgeon Winskill, and the other siblings confirm the connection: Elizabeth and Robert Baynes Winskill (Baynes being the spelling I have, which could be wrong). There were two other siblings, Hannah and Rebecca. So we are cousins; I haven't yet counted the generations since to establish the degree. This is a delightful finding, because it's the first time my branch has been able to establish a direct connection with another, though I have little doubt that many more connections between the branches are there. As you may have seen from scrolling down the posts, our detailed information was developed by my uncle Bob Winskill and my late cousin Aileen Winskill from visits to Cumbria, and with the help of a researcher in Appleby. I have a good deal of specific information they discovered that I'd like to share with you, and which I may post here also. Tell us more about yourself, your branch, your whereabouts, etc.

amanda bullock in Sheffield u.k at 17:04:32 Wednesday April 28 2004
Hi Ed, i've just been looking at some notes i made after searching the Westmorland IGI batch numbers site.You mentioned Andrew Winskill 1786- was he the one born in Sedbergh/Cumbria, if so i,ve also made this link, i know he married(Eliz)but i couldn't trace her maiden name.From what i can gather they had the following children-Michael(b)29/01/1810,Elizabeth(C)30/07/1819,Robert Baines Winskill (b)13/12/1820.Michael then Married Ann ? in 1831 and (my) Andrew was born 1832 to Michael and Ann.So far i have managed to get back to 1693 with the Marriage of Robert Winskill and Jane Brown in Appleby/Cumbria.I really do hope all my info is correct, other wise my family history could be very messed up

amanda bullock in Sheffield u.k at 16:31:25 Wednesday April 28 2004
Just taken a little time out to read all the other messages down the scroll,very interesting to see just how many Winskill's were in the R.A.F.My Grandad, Jack Winskill Hoyle was also in the raf in WWW II.Also stange to see a reference to Publican's, my Great Gandma Winskill and her husband were Publican's for many years in Halifax.u.k

amanda bullock in Sheffiels u.k at 15:53:11 Wednesday April 28 2004
Hi there Ed, thanks for your message,my great grand mother was a lady called Margaret winskill( a long line of name sakes)from what i can gather,she was born in halifax u.k in 1894, her father Robert stockdale winskill was born in Kendal 1871, he married Mary Hannah Chorley and had 5 Children-- Margaret (above, robert Chorley Winskill 1895, Mary Dorothy Winskill 1898 and Edith Minnie Winskill and Alfred Stockdale Winskill both born 1901.All the children were born in Halifax but moved back to be with the older part of the family in Kendal.

Ed Winskill in Tacoma at 19:39:02 Tuesday April 27 2004
I found some of my info close to hand just now. My Kendal ancestors include Andrew Winskill (1786-1850) who married Elizabeth Gudgeon. His grandfather was an Andrew, as well, and that is why I recalled Andrews in the ancestry. But it doesn't look like I have your Andrew. These could easily be collateral relatives, however. I'd be most interested in your information and connections, Amanda, and hope you'll post some more here, especially since Kendal is where my branch came to Canada from. In the last few years, as you can see from scrolling down through Glyn's guestbook, we have unearthed a lot of information about the family name and several of the branches. It seems to me that the next stage of the "project" will to be to see what some of the connections between the branches are. The rarity of the name and the origin of all branches in Cumberland/Westmorland and environs convinces me that we're all cousins- remoteness of cousinship is of no account in the Winskill clan!

Ed Winskill in Tacoma at 19:22:58 Tuesday April 27 2004
Amanda, I'm going to dig into this. My branch comes from Kendal and there are a number of Andrews in the lineage. I have to pull out the information compiled by my uncle Bob Winskill in the early 1990s. May I ask what your connection is? Anyhow, I'll try to search for the information tonight.

amanda bullock in sheffield u.k at 18:51:04 Tuesday April 27 2004
Hi all you Winskill's, it's the first time i,ve come across this site,with so many Winskill's i'm sure some one will be able to share some information with me.I'm having trouble trying to find more details on a Andrew Winskill born in Kendal 1833 son of Michael and ann Winskill married in Kendal 1831,Andrew married a lady called Betsy Stockdale in Kendal around 1870, they had a son named Robert Stockdale Winskill born 1871 also in Kendal, Betsy died around 1876 i think after giving birth to a daughter Margaret, Margaret also died a few days after being christened ,the problem i'm having is i can find Andrew and Robert in the 1901 census but not in the 1891, does any one know why?. im trying to find out whether Andrew married again and if so could it have beeen to some one called Jane.

Ed Winskill in Tacoma at 17:43:16 Wednesday April 21 2004
Glyn, I'm very sorry to hear of your dad's death. You, Linda, and I are of the generation that is now seeing the passage of our parents, so I understand it. As my own dad once remarked, we repay what our parents gave us by passing their lessons and help on to our own children and grandchildren. Another member of the clan is gone. I think of my grandad, who is the one who really got me interested in the Winskill name and family, and whom I have often mentioned here; he's now been gone for 27 years, and my dad now for 3. Please accept my sympathies and best wishes to you and your family.

Glyn in At home at 22:40:32 Tuesday April 20 2004

It is with sadness that I have to report that my father Stanley Winskill passed away in hospital on Monday 19th April 2004. Yet another loss to the clan Winskill, but as can be seen from his family tree there are many desendants to carry on the Winskill blood line. Greatly missed but not forgotten.

Susie in University of Miami, Florida at 02:51:05 Tuesday April 20 2004
Great site! I love all the little visual effects. Makes it very cool. I wish you all the best! Feel free to visit my website: http://umsis.miami.edu/~tmartin/

annette haden in Warwickhshire (Stratford upon Avon) at 16:16:21 Tuesday April 6 2004
For some reason I had written your email address down some time ago.I think it had something to do with either welham geneaology or the Wirral, Upton in particular.Are you this site or can you help? I know I don't write things down without reason!! Many thanks Annette PS great site

natasha winskill in st marys school libary at 01:28:39 Thursday April 1 2004
hello jess hows it going hehehe

Ed Winskill in Tacoma at 17:54:17 Tuesday March 16 2004
As the clan knows, it takes little to get me on a roll! David's post has got me going, and reminded me about the case of the Roebuck Inn, a bit of the lore of my branch. When we were kids, our grandfather would describe what he knew of the Winskill family history, and often told the story of his visit to the Roebuck Inn in Kendal on leave in WWI, which I referred to in the previous post. He visited a Winskill who was the publican of that inn, who was a half-uncle who received him without enthusiasm. My grandfather got the feeling that he thought he might be seeking some kind of an inheritance based upon the complicated family history of his own grandfather, William. So when my wife and I were in Cumbria in 2002, we stopped in Kendal. My brother Don had visited the Roebuck for a pint many years earlier, but we couldn't find it in the phone book. Kendal is a fair sized city with lots of pubs, of course. We walked into one, the Cask House, to see if they might direct us to the Roebuck if it still existed. Lo and behold, it was itself the Roebuck, under a new name! The landlord had compiled a history, which showed Thomas Winskill as the publican from 1904 to 1925, thus confirming this family history and providing a great moment of serendipity and pleasure. The odds were long, but the family spirits (in both senses) favored our search!

Ed Winskill in Tacoma at 17:24:12 Tuesday March 16 2004
David, I'm delighted to see your post. And of course, my grandfather E.F.W.Winskill, the one in the RFC/RAF in WWI, was Canadian; from Vancover. One day (hopefully soon) I want to explore the entire "case" of the Ontario Winskills. My branch, which I usually refer to as the "Tacoma/British Columbia" branch, originally settled in Ontario. William Winskill (my grandfather's grandfather) had come from Kendal in Cumbria. In Ontario he was married to Mercy, whereas in England he had been married to Abigail. My uncle Bob Winskill, who spent much time in England tracing the family history, and with a good bit of success, was never able to resolve the marriage question: whether Abigail died, was divorced (unlikely), or skipped out on. But when my grandad visited relations at the Roebuck Inn in Kendal on leave in WWI, he received a cool reception that caused him to speculate that he was a relation from the wrong side of the blanket as the old saying goes, an idea that used to amuse him. Anyway, a lot of Winskills of my branch were born in Ontario, but my grandad remembered that the lot were unmarried uncles of his. But I've wondered if there is a connection between my branch and the current Ontario branch represent by David, Robbie, and others. This is possible, but perhaps doubtful, because as I remember Robbie's info showed a different original progenitor.

David Winskill in London UK at 21:53:02 Monday March 15 2004
(Still here Ed!). Brendon - my uncle, Bill Winskill of Ontario Canada, flew bombers (Lancasters I think)in WWII - not sure if was with the CRAF or the RAF. He was a rear gunner and was shot down over Europe, captured and survived the war as a POW. Seems that a lot of the Winsill were fly boys! Very best of luck with your new career. David

Peter in LA at 21:13:30 Friday March 12 2004
Brennon, if you scroll right back to the beginning of this page, you'll find quite a lot of interesting odds and ends about the Winskill name and Winskills world wide. Ed's grandfather and my Dad were both pilots in the First World War and there is Sir Archie Winskill who was the queen's pilot for many years, so it looks like you're following in a Winskill tradition. Good luck !

Glyn in Sheffield UK at 14:23:18 Tuesday March 2 2004
Welcome to the worldwide clan of Winskills Brennon. Glad my website has connected with yet another branch of the family. Unfortunately i get very little time to contribute or do any reserching of the family name just now, but it is pleasing to see that Ed is still keeping in touch with all newcomers.....Keep up the good work Ed...and Thanks

HOPOLZ in HOLLAND at 11:21:59 Monday March 1 2004
I LOVE IT

Brennon Winskill in Arthur, Illinois at 03:25:04 Monday March 1 2004
Well Ed, The oldest Winskill of the Illinois Winskills that i can remember is my great grampa Earl Winskill who was the father of my grandfather Raymond Winskill. Ray who married Norma Stocks my grandmother sadly killed himself in the 70's. They had four children who were Mike, Marily, Dave, and Debbie Winskill. Debbie is my mother and has neverbeen married so i took the Winskill name and am very honored to have it because i know for a fact that it is a very rare name. It is kind of ironic though that I myself will soon become a pilot in the navy. I am 19 years old and am currently working my way through school and have already signed with the navy. Arthur, Illinois is in central Illinois and is also a small amish town so we have quite a few tourists. If you have any info on the rest of the Winskills I'd love to have it. Frankly, I thought that the only Winskills that were alive were the ones I know because they are all my immediate family. Thanks

Ed Winskill in Tacoma Wa. at 23:15:17 Saturday February 28 2004
Welcome, Brennon! I hope you've received the email I sent. I'd be happy to send you any information I have. As I suggested, read through the posts here as a starter and you will get a lot of information. Please post about yourself and your branch; we've heard very little from the Illinois Winskills and anything you can post I assure you will be of great interest.

Brennon Tyler Winskill in Arthur, Illinois at 10:37:19 Saturday February 28 2004
Hello to all Winskills, Somebody please get back to me. I'm dying to know where my name comes from!

Ed Winskill in Tacoma at 19:23:19 Wednesday February 11 2004
Good to see you back, Peter! Been at sea? I've sent you David Turnbull's inquiry by email. Your post reminds me that I missed Archie's birthday; he was 87 on January 24th. Drop me a note sometime about your conversation with Trevor Constable. I wonder what other Winskills were in the RAF? Newcomers may not know that Peter's dad and my grandfather were RAF pilots in WWI; biplanes. Since my dad's death nearly three years ago, we've found quite a few more interesting records about my grandad's RAF days. Glad to hear the family is at least maintaining in Zim...

Peter Maughan Winskill in Los Angeles at 01:42:49 Sunday February 8 2004
Well, it's good to see more and more Winskills posting about themselves. I haven't been on the site for a year or so what with a couple of computers with address books given up the ghost and gone to cyber heaven. Hello Ed. Good to see you around ! If you have Sir Archie's birth date maybe we can send him a birthday card. He must be over eighty now. You mention you were contacted by a cousin of mine David Turnbull who I believe is in contact with my sister. I would be interested in his address if you still have it. The Zimbabwe Winskills are all living in Harare (in Mugabe's cesspit) having been chucked off the farm. They seem to be coping with things. I was talking to Trevor Constable recently who is an authority on the great fighter pilots of the Luftwaffe. Always interesting to get the losing side's perspective as it's usually the winners who write the history.

Ed Winskill in Tacoma at 18:38:39 Friday January 30 2004
Frances, I'm posting again because my computer doesn't recognise the identifier when I click on your name as an email address. My suggestion, indeed my exhortation, is that you post as much here as possible; sibling names, family history and legend, etc. This can lead to connections and at least reflect the history of your branch, something that is both of interest and importance. And do drop me a line at ewinskill@dpearson.com.

Ed Winskill in Tacoma at 18:27:22 Friday January 30 2004
Welcome, Frances! Sounds like your dad produced quite a clan. Here are my thoughts. It's not likely, though certainly not impossible, that your inquiry here will produce results, though for ought I know there may be many Winskills who read the guestbook but don't post. First is to establish where your dad was born and raised. How many of these older siblings are still living, and do they have information? But you've probably explored that. Research into birth, death, and church records can produce surprising results. Drop me an email and I'll see if I can give you some tips. In the meantime, I hope you've scrolled through the posts here to learn about the clan and name in general. Very good to see you here and I strongly encourage you to post as much as you can about your branch here. All is of interest, and often a clue that will lead to a connection will pop up.

frances lang nee winskill in NORTH WALES at 22:29:39 Thursday January 29 2004
II am looking for any information on my father Albert Winskill, born in 1888. he had 7 childern to his first wife, then married my mother marie Dillon, who had 6 childern, then had me and my brother kenneth.There was large age gap between my parents witch must i have caused a rift with his family.the only information I know is he had a twin sister Fanny the names of his children are John,lenard,who I think lost a leg when he was young also a daughter Rita. If any one could give me any answers I will be very grateful

frances lang nee winskill in NORTH WALES at 22:21:51 Thursday January 29 2004
II am looking for any information on my father Albert Winskill, born in 1888. he had 7 childern to his first wife, then married my mother marie Dillon, who had 6 childern, then had me and my brother kenneth.There was large age gap between my parents witch must i have caused a rift with his family.the only information I know is he had a twin sister Fanny the names of his children are John,lenard,who I think lost a leg when he was young also a daughter Rita. If any one could give me any answers I will be very grateful